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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2005, 08:08:50 AM »

Gotta say the wobblies were cool.
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2005, 02:32:18 PM »

^^^^^ Oh boy another communist. Where do you guys keep coming from? Do they teach this stuff in college or do you just naturally gravitate to it?
I think both... it's a popular thing around colleges here.

Yeah, we need another McCarthy. I miss the halls of Congress being occupied by great men such as he was.

The halls of Congress are occupied by that same exact type at present, so don't worry.
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2005, 04:32:50 PM »

I'm not in favor of any McCarthy style witch hunts, but I just have to wonder what the attraction is for communism. I can understand people who support socialism because there are European socialist states or at least socialist leaning states that are doing OK. But nowhere is there an example of a communist state that could be termed successful. There is only death, tryanny, and poverty. What the hell is so good about that?
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2005, 04:35:05 PM »

What the hell is so good about that?

No idea. But I'm not a spoilt brat of a student who wants to rebel against... er...
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2005, 05:58:37 PM »

I'm not in favor of any McCarthy style witch hunts, but I just have to wonder what the attraction is for communism. I can understand people who support socialism because there are European socialist states or at least socialist leaning states that are doing OK. But nowhere is there an example of a communist state that could be termed successful. There is only death, tryanny, and poverty. What the hell is so good about that?

Simple, David S.  Social heirarchies in which most people are trapped in their position generate massive amounts of angst and resentment.  It is only natural for people experiencing that reaction to their social 'cage' to want to tear down the whole oppressive system, even it what is left afterwards is nothing more than Pol Pot's piles of skulls.
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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2005, 10:30:37 PM »

I'm not in favor of any McCarthy style witch hunts, but I just have to wonder what the attraction is for communism. I can understand people who support socialism because there are European socialist states or at least socialist leaning states that are doing OK. But nowhere is there an example of a communist state that could be termed successful. There is only death, tryanny, and poverty. What the hell is so good about that?

Simple, David S.  Social heirarchies in which most people are trapped in their position generate massive amounts of angst and resentment.  It is only natural for people experiencing that reaction to their social 'cage' to want to tear down the whole oppressive system, even it what is left afterwards is nothing more than Pol Pot's piles of skulls.

Most of the communists at this site are college students whose idea of oppression is being denied  hairgel. Ending up in a pile of skulls instead seems like a rather extreme reaction.

Opebo I don't know why you think Americans are so oppressed. Do you really think there is a social cage here which is anything like the kind of social cage one would encounter in China, or North Korea, or the former USSR? Unemployed people here are better off than people who work hard every day for a living in those countries.

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« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2005, 05:14:51 PM »

Opebo I don't know why you think Americans are so oppressed. Do you really think there is a social cage here which is anything like the kind of social cage one would encounter in China, or North Korea, or the former USSR? Unemployed people here are better off than people who work hard every day for a living in those countries.

Not so.  Unemployed people in the US are utterly destitute, as there is - for most people - no safety net.  What I am refering to as a 'social cage' is the condition of the working class.  They are on a treadmill with no hope of change, and they can see to whom productive surpluses flow.  It is only natural for them to resent those above them in the heirarchy.
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« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2005, 12:33:44 PM »

You need a different party to shake things up sometimes, to keep everything healthy.

Good point, i agree
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« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2005, 12:35:18 PM »

Yay another thread that allows the same group of people to have another hackneyed debate about the same f***king thing (which also allows them to claim that country x is inferior).

None of you are even trying to be objective, none of you are even bothering to compare like with like, all of you are cherry picking whatever statistics prop up you're arguements, most of you then proceed to take that out of context and spin it around for all it's worth... etc. etc. etc.

Roll Eyes

Thank you, Al.
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« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2005, 04:16:49 AM »

Back to Sweden:

Unemployment (2004): 5.6%

Inflation rate (consumer prices) (2004): 0.7%

GDP Growth rate (2004): 3.6%

Source: CIA World Factbook

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sw.html

Doesn't look like a socialist basketcase to me.
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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2005, 07:22:14 AM »

Sweden is a fine, yet imperfect nation (but aren't they all). If you want your life to be about gathering as much wealth as possible; it certainly not the place for you. But in terms of having a happy existence; it seems like a very reasonable place. I worked there for a little over year (for a US company), married a Swedish girl, and we visit as often as we can. I think it's an outstanding place myself.
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« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2005, 07:28:14 AM »

I think we're all forgetting that God hates SwedenTongue
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« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2005, 08:00:55 AM »


Wow, just when you think you've seen it all. However, I imagine they are small group and most likely too extreme to even support the GOP; though I wonder.
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« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2005, 09:18:56 AM »


Wow, just when you think you've seen it all. However, I imagine they are small group and most likely too extreme to even support the GOP; though I wonder.

While their rhetoric is quite inflammatory, I for one certainly don't agree with it, their doctrinal points are quite true.
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« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2005, 09:32:00 AM »


Wow, just when you think you've seen it all. However, I imagine they are small group and most likely too extreme to even support the GOP; though I wonder.

Fred Phelps is a life-long Democrat, believe it or not.
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« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2005, 11:55:41 AM »


Wow, just when you think you've seen it all. However, I imagine they are small group and most likely too extreme to even support the GOP; though I wonder.

Fred Phelps is a life-long Democrat, believe it or not.

Ha - never would have believed that; not that the Democrats don't have their share of nuts; they just tend to be a different breed than Mr. Phelps. Using Christianity as a tool against other groups is such a staple of the far right that it was an easy mistake to make. But, regardless, red or blue, Mr. Phelps is one twisted and sick puppy.
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« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2005, 12:00:37 PM »


Wow, just when you think you've seen it all. However, I imagine they are small group and most likely too extreme to even support the GOP; though I wonder.

Fred Phelps is a life-long Democrat, believe it or not.

Ha - never would have believed that; not that the Democrats don't have their share of nuts; they just tend to be a different breed than Mr. Phelps. Using Christianity as a tool against other groups is such a staple of the far right that it was an easy mistake to make. But, regardless, red or blue, Mr. Phelps is one twisted and sick puppy.

Another religious bigot I see.
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« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2005, 12:04:23 PM »

Interesting logic: criticizing Fred Phelps makes yourself a bigot.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2005, 12:28:01 PM »

Eh, Christianity in this country is really two different religions (at least). As I see it we have one group that uses it as tool to elevate their position, by decreasing the position of others, and to feel good and self righteous for having not done certain things. And we have another group that believes it's about lifting other people up and improving themselves by doing things and looking at ones own actions. Bashing other people while doing nothing of meaning is a lot easier to market to the public than helping people and looking inward. Plus the folks that actually worship money get to play at being Christians if they go with the first branch as well. And to be honest, there are all kinds of shades of grey between these two branch that most likely hold the bulk of the Christians in this country. I have very little respect for folks that go with option number one; I see it as an absolute corruption of the Christian faith.
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« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2005, 03:35:56 PM »

social liberalism have no idea of the road to hell that they are paving.
Sweden is not complete social liberal. They have illegalized prostitution and possibly will do same to porn. And smoking is illegal almost everywhere. it's a fairly authoritarian society.

I wonder what Gustaf would think about this thread?
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« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2005, 04:29:36 PM »

social liberalism have no idea of the road to hell that they are paving.
Sweden is not complete social liberal. They have illegalized prostitution and possibly will do same to porn. And smoking is illegal almost everywhere. it's a fairly authoritarian society.

I wonder what Gustaf would think about this thread?
Well, I think that it is utterly silly. The "sourses" presented are highly tendensious just like the sourses Bono used last time he posted a "Sweden is Hell"-tread.  Give me a less biased sourse and I wouldn't mind discussing, but these..... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2005, 04:30:33 PM »

social liberalism have no idea of the road to hell that they are paving.
Sweden is not complete social liberal. They have illegalized prostitution and possibly will do same to porn. And smoking is illegal almost everywhere. it's a fairly authoritarian society.

I wonder what Gustaf would think about this thread?
Well, I think that it is utterly silly. The "sourses" presented are highly tendensious just like the sourses Bono used last time he posted a "Sweden is Hell"-tread.  Give me a less biased sourse and I wouldn't mind discussing, but these..... Roll Eyes

I posted a Sweden is hell thread?
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« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2005, 04:50:14 PM »

Sweden is not complete social liberal. They have illegalized prostitution and possibly will do same to porn.

Tragic.  No wonder they all leave for very extended vacations.

Actually I read they criminalized patronizing prostitutes, but not being a prostitute - putting the onus on the poor horny male.
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« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2005, 06:37:59 PM »

Sweden is not complete social liberal. They have illegalized prostitution and possibly will do same to porn.

Tragic.  No wonder they all leave for very extended vacations.

Actually I read they criminalized patronizing prostitutes, but not being a prostitute - putting the onus on the poor horny male.
That't true. Swedes think that prostitutes are all innocent victims who should be protected and guys like you are chauvinist pigs. Smiley

In facf they just fined supreme court judge who tried to buy sex from male student! Smiley

http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/o/51/05-20-2005/4db7000413fb8089.html

Finns traditionally think that all Swedes are homosexuals, btw.
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« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2005, 05:55:25 PM »

social liberalism have no idea of the road to hell that they are paving.
Sweden is not complete social liberal. They have illegalized prostitution and possibly will do same to porn. And smoking is illegal almost everywhere. it's a fairly authoritarian society.

I wonder what Gustaf would think about this thread?
Well, I think that it is utterly silly. The "sourses" presented are highly tendensious just like the sourses Bono used last time he posted a "Sweden is Hell"-tread.  Give me a less biased sourse and I wouldn't mind discussing, but these..... Roll Eyes

I posted a Sweden is hell thread?
Sorry, It was Richius
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=20361.0
but the same methodical problems are present and you both used a rather extreme sourse from the same conservative enviroment as sole basis
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