CNN/ORC national poll: Biden beats all Republicans, Carson leads Clinton/Sanders

[Mr. Morden]

CNN/ORC national poll:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/19/politics/cnn-orc-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democratic-debate/index.html

Clinton 50%
Trump 45%

Carson 48%
Clinton 47%

Sanders 53%
Trump 44%

Carson 48%
Sanders 46%

Biden 53%
Trump 43%

Biden 52%
Carson 44%

[King]

I'm convinced people just don't know who Ben Carson is or pay attention to anything he says.

[Skye]

I'm convinced people just don't know who Ben Carson is or pay attention to anything he says.

I think they just think he is nice and leave it at that.

[Ljube]

Good numbers for Hillary.

[Phony Moderate]

I'm convinced people just don't know who Ben Carson is or pay attention to anything he says.

His name sounds very presidential, so there you are.

[EliteLX]

Can we start polling actual viable politicians as well? Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, Bush? Instead of ONLY Trump and the doctor every single poll.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

They're the frontrunners & certainly favored to win nomination and Dems can win either race.

[JonathanSwift]

Assuming uniform swings from 2012:

Carson vs. Sanders

305-233

Carson vs. Clinton

272-266

Clinton vs. Trump

332-206

Biden vs. Carson; Biden/Sanders vs. Trump

347-191

[EliteLX]

They're the frontrunners & certainly favored to win nomination and Dems can win either race.

You do understand Atlas has a quote button, yes?

And yes, at this exact point they are hypothetically "favored" because of their standing in polls, but the entire betting industry and most mainline political geeks and PoliSci's disagree that they are certain to take the nomination a year from now when all voters across the nation actually head to the primary voting booths in those weeks.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

They're the frontrunners & certainly favored to win nomination and Dems can win either race.

You do understand Atlas has a quote button, yes?

And yes, at this exact point they are hypothetically "favored" because of their standing in polls, but the entire betting industry and most mainline political geeks and PoliSci's disagree that they are certain to take the nomination a year from now when all voters across the nation actually head to the primary voting booths in those weeks.

Ah, yes, when have bettors ever failed us before? And when was the last time the geeks promoted a total loser as the next yuuuugge thing only to be proven wrong? Most people fail at managing money and the pros are incredibly out of touch.

[Bismarck]

I'm convinced people just don't know who Ben Carson is or pay attention to anything he says.

[YaBoyNY]

Can we start polling actual viable politicians as well? Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, Bush? Instead of ONLY Trump and the doctor every single poll.

> Kasich, Cruz, Bush.
> Viable.

Pick one.

[EliteLX]

Can we start polling actual viable politicians as well? Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, Bush? Instead of ONLY Trump and the doctor every single poll.

> Kasich, Cruz, Bush.
> Viable.

Pick one.

Viable.. attainable.. realistic? Check that thesaurus and dictionary of yours.

Bush has been the most successful governor of Florida in recent decades. Kasich has wonderful cross aisle appeal and is getting his job done and Cruz (despite being unliked outside his demopgrahic) is known for grabbing his sack and standing up for what he believes in times of fire time and time again. All of which are extremely viable.. attainable.. realistic politicians.

Just because they aren't a socialist doesn't mean they aren't a viable politician you twat.

[YaBoyNY]

Can we start polling actual viable politicians as well? Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, Bush? Instead of ONLY Trump and the doctor every single poll.

> Kasich, Cruz, Bush.
> Viable.

Pick one.

Viable.. attainable.. realistic? Check that thesaurus and dictionary of yours.

Bush has been the most successful governor of Florida in recent decades. Kasich has wonderful cross aisle appeal and is getting his job done and Cruz (despite being unliked outside his demopgrahic) is known for grabbing his sack and standing up for what he believes in times of fire time and time again. All of which are extremely viable.. attainable.. realistic politicians.

Just because they aren't a socialist doesn't mean they aren't a viable politician you twat.

Two low energy losers and a far-right nut aren't viable, attainable, or realistic.

[EliteLX]

Can we start polling actual viable politicians as well? Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, Bush? Instead of ONLY Trump and the doctor every single poll.

> Kasich, Cruz, Bush.
> Viable.

Pick one.

Viable.. attainable.. realistic? Check that thesaurus and dictionary of yours.

Bush has been the most successful governor of Florida in recent decades. Kasich has wonderful cross aisle appeal and is getting his job done and Cruz (despite being unliked outside his demopgrahic) is known for grabbing his sack and standing up for what he believes in times of fire time and time again. All of which are extremely viable.. attainable.. realistic politicians.

Just because they aren't a socialist doesn't mean they aren't a viable politician you twat.

Two low energy losers and a far-right nut aren't viable, attainable, or realistic.

"Low energy" has been the worst excuse Dems even have to desperately turn to when trying to criticize Jeb and others. Jeb Bush has more heart and integrity in his pinky than Hillary Clinton has in every fiber of her body. What a pitiful excuse.

[Maxwell]

Can we start polling actual viable politicians as well? Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, Bush? Instead of ONLY Trump and the doctor every single poll.

> Kasich, Cruz, Bush.
> Viable.

Pick one.

Viable.. attainable.. realistic? Check that thesaurus and dictionary of yours.

Bush has been the most successful governor of Florida in recent decades. Kasich has wonderful cross aisle appeal and is getting his job done and Cruz (despite being unliked outside his demopgrahic) is known for grabbing his sack and standing up for what he believes in times of fire time and time again. All of which are extremely viable.. attainable.. realistic politicians.

Just because they aren't a socialist doesn't mean they aren't a viable politician you twat.

Two low energy losers and a far-right nut aren't viable, attainable, or realistic.

"Low energy" has been the worst excuse Dems even have to desperately turn to when trying to criticize Jeb and others. Jeb Bush has more heart and integrity in his pinky than Hillary Clinton has in every fiber of her body. What a pitiful excuse.

Dems? That was Trump's accurate assessment of Jeb Bush, and it sunk Jeb from leading the field with 20% to 5%. Pathetic!

[EliteLX]

Can we start polling actual viable politicians as well? Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, Bush? Instead of ONLY Trump and the doctor every single poll.

> Kasich, Cruz, Bush.
> Viable.

Pick one.

Viable.. attainable.. realistic? Check that thesaurus and dictionary of yours.

Bush has been the most successful governor of Florida in recent decades. Kasich has wonderful cross aisle appeal and is getting his job done and Cruz (despite being unliked outside his demopgrahic) is known for grabbing his sack and standing up for what he believes in times of fire time and time again. All of which are extremely viable.. attainable.. realistic politicians.

Just because they aren't a socialist doesn't mean they aren't a viable politician you twat.

Two low energy losers and a far-right nut aren't viable, attainable, or realistic.

"Low energy" has been the worst excuse Dems even have to desperately turn to when trying to criticize Jeb and others. Jeb Bush has more heart and integrity in his pinky than Hillary Clinton has in every fiber of her body. What a pitiful excuse.

Dems? That was Trump's accurate assessment of Jeb Bush, and it sunk Jeb from leading the field with 20% to 5%. Pathetic!

You must be new around here if you don't realize Trump throws shade at anybody who he views as a contender or an opponent. You speak as if Donald Trump is the embodiment of a bright and politically enlightened leader when in reality Trump's numbers are coming from the fact that 25% of the radical GOP will love anything that is a nationalistic semi-xenophobic nonsense message. That's why Jeb and other reputable contenders numbers look how they do when Trump hopped on board.

I'm definitely upset with the primary-- somewhat embarrassing, that we can both agree on. But, nothing you said shows "low EN3RGY L0SER LOL" to be accurate, because it really isn't accurate. Again, Jeb has more spirits and heart in his left thumb than Hillary and some other specific GOP/Dem candidates do in their entire beings. Don't talk silly talk just to bandwagon on an empty assault.

[Maxwell]

Can we start polling actual viable politicians as well? Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, Bush? Instead of ONLY Trump and the doctor every single poll.

> Kasich, Cruz, Bush.
> Viable.

Pick one.

Viable.. attainable.. realistic? Check that thesaurus and dictionary of yours.

Bush has been the most successful governor of Florida in recent decades. Kasich has wonderful cross aisle appeal and is getting his job done and Cruz (despite being unliked outside his demopgrahic) is known for grabbing his sack and standing up for what he believes in times of fire time and time again. All of which are extremely viable.. attainable.. realistic politicians.

Just because they aren't a socialist doesn't mean they aren't a viable politician you twat.

Two low energy losers and a far-right nut aren't viable, attainable, or realistic.

"Low energy" has been the worst excuse Dems even have to desperately turn to when trying to criticize Jeb and others. Jeb Bush has more heart and integrity in his pinky than Hillary Clinton has in every fiber of her body. What a pitiful excuse.

Dems? That was Trump's accurate assessment of Jeb Bush, and it sunk Jeb from leading the field with 20% to 5%. Pathetic!

You must be new around here if you don't realize Trump throws shade at anybody who he views as a contender or an opponent. You speak as if Donald Trump is the embodiment of a bright and politically enlightened leader when in reality Trump's numbers are coming from the fact that 25% of the radical GOP will love anything that is a nationalistic semi-xenophobic nonsense message. That's why Jeb and other reputable contenders numbers look how they do when Trump hopped on board.

I'm definitely upset with the primary-- somewhat embarrassing, that we can both agree on. But, nothing you said shows "low EN3RGY L0SER LOL" to be accurate, because it really isn't accurate. Again, Jeb has more spirits and heart in his left thumb than Hillary and some other specific GOP/Dem candidates do in their entire beings. Don't talk silly talk just to bandwagon on an empty assault.

It's not 25% of the radical GOP, It's 25% of the WHOLE GOP. And another 25% support Ben Carson, who gets very much the same segment of the GOP. And another 8-9% for Ted Cruz, who also probably gets the same group. Where does that lead your party? 59% OF YOUR PARTY SUPPORTS THESE THREE CANDIDATES, while the rest of the candidates are scrabbling for anything else. Jeb Bush isn't even the winner in that field, he's barely holding above margin of error.

And did you see that woman falling asleep during his healthcare speech? Did you see his pathetic response that he had to retract to PUTTING A WOMAN ON THE DOLLAR BILL? Did you see him utterly fail to take down Trump at any point? If your theory is correct, Trump should've been revealed to be a clown with no chance two months ago. He has since held the lead for THREE MONTHS.

You're a pathetic shill and you know it and you feel a bit embarrassed so you stay on message like a politician boy that "Jeb has heart and spirit". The Republican Party has no room for someone who is touchy feely all the time and would cuddle ISIS to death.

For all the embarrassment Bill put her through during the Monica Lewinsky thing, I felt more embarassed when Jeb Bush backed down as soon as Trump said he wasn't going to apologize TO HIS WIFE.

[EliteLX]

Can we start polling actual viable politicians as well? Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, Bush? Instead of ONLY Trump and the doctor every single poll.

> Kasich, Cruz, Bush.
> Viable.

Pick one.

Viable.. attainable.. realistic? Check that thesaurus and dictionary of yours.

Bush has been the most successful governor of Florida in recent decades. Kasich has wonderful cross aisle appeal and is getting his job done and Cruz (despite being unliked outside his demopgrahic) is known for grabbing his sack and standing up for what he believes in times of fire time and time again. All of which are extremely viable.. attainable.. realistic politicians.

Just because they aren't a socialist doesn't mean they aren't a viable politician you twat.

Two low energy losers and a far-right nut aren't viable, attainable, or realistic.

"Low energy" has been the worst excuse Dems even have to desperately turn to when trying to criticize Jeb and others. Jeb Bush has more heart and integrity in his pinky than Hillary Clinton has in every fiber of her body. What a pitiful excuse.

Dems? That was Trump's accurate assessment of Jeb Bush, and it sunk Jeb from leading the field with 20% to 5%. Pathetic!

You must be new around here if you don't realize Trump throws shade at anybody who he views as a contender or an opponent. You speak as if Donald Trump is the embodiment of a bright and politically enlightened leader when in reality Trump's numbers are coming from the fact that 25% of the radical GOP will love anything that is a nationalistic semi-xenophobic nonsense message. That's why Jeb and other reputable contenders numbers look how they do when Trump hopped on board.

I'm definitely upset with the primary-- somewhat embarrassing, that we can both agree on. But, nothing you said shows "low EN3RGY L0SER LOL" to be accurate, because it really isn't accurate. Again, Jeb has more spirits and heart in his left thumb than Hillary and some other specific GOP/Dem candidates do in their entire beings. Don't talk silly talk just to bandwagon on an empty assault.

It's not 25% of the radical GOP, It's 25% of the WHOLE GOP. And another 25% support Ben Carson, who gets very much the same segment of the GOP. And another 8-9% for Ted Cruz, who also probably gets the same group. Where does that lead your party? 59% OF YOUR PARTY SUPPORTS THESE THREE CANDIDATES, while the rest of the candidates are scrabbling for anything else. Jeb Bush isn't even the winner in that field, he's barely holding above margin of error.

And did you see that woman falling asleep during his healthcare speech? Did you see his pathetic response that he had to retract to PUTTING A WOMAN ON THE DOLLAR BILL? Did you see him utterly fail to take down Trump at any point? If your theory is correct, Trump should've been revealed to be a clown with no chance two months ago. He has since held the lead for THREE MONTHS.

You're a pathetic shill and you know it and you feel a bit embarrassed so you stay on message like a politician boy that "Jeb has heart and spirit". The Republican Party has no room for someone who is touchy feely all the time and would cuddle ISIS to death.

For all the embarrassment Bill put her through during the Monica Lewinsky thing, I felt more embarassed when Jeb Bush backed down as soon as Trump said he wasn't going to apologize TO HIS WIFE.

I meant that 25% as in that 25% of the entire GOP is radically riding with Trump's clearly xenophobic message, something you won't find something of those sorts in Carson or Cruz talk. Carson and Cruz aren't Trump. They genuinely have beliefs. Trump literally does not have any policy experience or ideas and is simply running a campaign off anger, stupidity, a wall, and xenophobia. I have yet to claim Jeb is winning the moderate/centre-right battle right now, I would argue Rubio is. That doesn't mean I can't support a separate candidate.

I also never claimed Jeb was some radically inspiring candidate, but he has heart and he has spirit when he talks and that's all I claimed. That's not "shill talk", it's just a common statement. Rubio has heart when he talks. Biden has heart when he talks. Sanders has some (old) heart when he talks. You can tell who actually believes the sh**t they're speaking of and truly wants to chase it and those who are spitting out their ass for demographic appeal. He's battling Trump unsuccessful at this point as well, that I also have not argued against either. And actually, no, Trump would not of been revealed as a clown. He IS a clown but just because he is carrying 25% of a non-centre far-right GOP base doesn't mean he isn't a clown.. many GOPers themselves would even argue the far right of my party is out of touch.

Finally, and most important, you are attempting to insult me for having a formal opinion about a candidate which seems rather sad. For the 300th time, I'm not a shill for preferring a candidate you don't like lol. I am a regular human being like you and the others on this board who prefer a candidate and you seem to struggle accepting that as a reality. Jeb has some heart. I said it. Make you butthurt some more? Jeb has heart to him. As does Biden. As does Sanders. As does Rubio. As do many fuxking politicians on both side of the aisle.

I like many candidates. Jeb is one that I prefer for a nomination for a party of mine. It is not that deep. It truly isn't, there are a lot of good ideas in some candidates I see aside from him. At the end of the day it's politics. Getting awfully tired of repeating myself.