Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II

[RogueBeaver]

LMAO. I've always seen PLQ as centre-left, and I'll agree to disagree with Max there. Tom Mulcair joined the NDP in 1974.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The PLQ is whatever you want it to be.

[Derpist]

The PLQ is whatever you want it to be baby.

See, I can't tell if this is a joke or not because this is probably their actual M.O.

[Hatman 🍁]

Mulcair was on the left of the PLQ, but it is generally a centre to centre right party (or has been since the 1990s). People on the left in Quebec tend to vote PQ or QS unless they are federalists. Mulcair represented a fairly federalist riding when he was an MNA.

[RogueBeaver]

QP panel and Althia Raj seem rather down on Mulcair's prospects, though I'll only believe he flunks if seen. Last time I saw a leadership review go sour was Landry in '05.

[RogueBeaver]

Motion to examine Leap for the next convention has been adopted.

[Hatman 🍁]

QP panel and Althia Raj seem rather down on Mulcair's prospects, though I'll only believe he flunks if seen. Last time I saw a leadership review go sour was Landry in '05.

Of course he is going to fail. Will get somewhere in the 60s. Willing to change my opinion after speech though.

[Poirot]

Motion to examine Leap for the next convention has been adopted.

I watched some of the debate but didn't see the vote/ result how split it was. The Alberta NDP must be disappointed and angre. They advocated it will hurt them.

Mulcair had to face unhappiness from some progressives and now the Alberta section might feel discouraged by the Leap vote just before the leadership vote and don't have motivation to go vote to keep the leader.

[Hatman 🍁]

The brouhaha over the leap manifesto is overrated. Nobody will be talking about it next election.

[Hatman 🍁]

Speech wasn't that convincing. It may have swayed a few people, but I suspect he still gets less than 70%.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

Results for the NDP Convention leadership vote expected by 12

[Hatman 🍁]

Results for the NDP Convention leadership vote expected by 12

Pacific time?

[Pragmatic Conservative]

Results for the NDP Convention leadership vote expected by 12

Pacific time?

Yes, Results are apparently ready now

[Pragmatic Conservative]

52% vote in favor of a leadership review at the NDP Convention

[Hatman 🍁]

Wow... I knew he'd be forced out, but he couldn't even win a majority? Huge shocker.

[Holmes]

Idiot party.

[Vega]

In theory, Mulcair could run in the Leadership election, right?

[Holmes]

In theory, Mulcair could run in the Leadership election, right?

Yeah. But the message is clear.

[Vega]

^True.

What are some good political websites, by the way? CBC is really low key in their coverage.

[MaxQue]

Idiot party.

Well, I can't really blame them, there is a problem in the party, but it wasn't the leader.

It's rather his advisors and the high-level employees of the party, which were severely disconnected from the reality during the campaign. Mulcair is a victim of their cluelessness and bad advice.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Good. It's time the NDP returns to its progressive roots.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

It's a shame. I really like Mulcair and I think he could have been a decent prime minister. The reality is, though, that he basically has no advantages when stacked up against Justin Trudeau. In four years, JT will have enough street cred that knocks against his lack of experience or naivety won't matter... which means Mulcair's commanding presence would be moot. And he does not look hip or radical or in touch with the new progressive left at all. So it's a good choice to go with a fresh face.

How's Megan Lelsie's French?

[Hatman 🍁]

The NDP has a lot of problems. Hopefully this will fix some of them, but I wouldn't count on it.

[Holmes]

The NDP has a lot of problems. Hopefully this will fix some of them, but I wouldn't count on it.

We're probably going to get a useless and incompetent leader who can't debate or talk about public policy like an adult. I'm betting on Nikki Ashton.

[Vega]

The NDP has a lot of problems. Hopefully this will fix some of them, but I wouldn't count on it.

We're probably going to get a useless and incompetent leader who can't debate or talk about public policy like an adult. I'm betting on Nikki Ashton.

Her policies aren't horrible, but she is one of the most annoying voices of the leftist movement in the NDP.

Nathan Cullen would be a good pick, but he probably would be seen as too similar to Mulcair.