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Question: Will some candidates drop out of the race in order to stop O'Leary from winning?
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« Reply #800 on: May 27, 2017, 07:13:44 PM »

This is as exciting as Canadian politics will ever get.

Here's a typical boring Canadian election where everyone votes the same as the previous election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1993

I love that. Smallest swing for a major party was Liberal +9.32% Tongue
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« Reply #801 on: May 27, 2017, 07:15:04 PM »
« Edited: May 27, 2017, 07:16:55 PM by Barnes »

Final Ballot
Scheer: 50.95%
Bernier: 49.05%
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« Reply #802 on: May 27, 2017, 07:18:52 PM »

A difference of 644.4 points in the end.
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« Reply #803 on: May 27, 2017, 07:22:42 PM »

Any idea what O'Leary's best riding was?
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« Reply #804 on: May 27, 2017, 07:29:41 PM »

Closest convention result since '76, coincidentally also 51/49 where West edged QC.
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« Reply #805 on: May 27, 2017, 07:50:47 PM »

How should Grits and Dippers be feeling tonight?
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« Reply #806 on: May 27, 2017, 07:56:32 PM »

How should Grits and Dippers be feeling tonight?

Grits are very pleased. Scheer has regularly been described as a "nicer Stephen Harper."
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« Reply #807 on: May 27, 2017, 08:07:22 PM »
« Edited: May 27, 2017, 10:04:05 PM by MAINEiac4434 »

How should Grits and Dippers be feeling tonight?

Grits are very pleased. Scheer has regularly been described as a "nicer Stephen Harper."
So. I guess the only way for a Tory government is if the NDP cuts into the Liberals in marginals.
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« Reply #808 on: May 27, 2017, 08:14:25 PM »

How should Grits and Dippers be feeling tonight?
The Libs and NDP certainly aren't worried, since Scheer is the status quo for the CPC.
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« Reply #809 on: May 27, 2017, 08:20:56 PM »

Map of the first round. Errors possible. Where there was a tie, I went down the ballot chain until the tie was broken.

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« Reply #810 on: May 27, 2017, 08:32:17 PM »

Seems like Trost relied more on immigrants than rural voters, similar to Patrick Brown in Ontario. It explains Waterloo better than my earlier Mennonite hypothesis.
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« Reply #811 on: May 27, 2017, 08:34:51 PM »

Seems like Trost relied more on immigrants than rural voters, similar to Patrick Brown in Ontario. It explains Waterloo better than my earlier Mennonite hypothesis.

He cleaned up in ridings with a lot of Chinese people, specifically. Hilariously could not win his own riding.
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« Reply #812 on: May 27, 2017, 08:42:11 PM »

How should Grits and Dippers be feeling tonight?
The Libs and NDP certainly aren't worried, since Scheer is the status quo for the CPC.
Looks like the CPC isn't ready to evolve.
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« Reply #813 on: May 27, 2017, 08:49:37 PM »

Hilariously, O'Leary still beat Rick Peterson AND Deepak Obhrai, and almost beat Chris Alexander.
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« Reply #814 on: May 27, 2017, 09:02:28 PM »

That was a lot more exciting than I thought. I want my money back from pollster and forecast who made me believe Bernier had a big lead. Maybe some underestimation of social conservative vote and anti-Bernier rural Quebec vote.

Scheer won Beauce

Scheer 51.11%
Bernier 48.89%

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« Reply #815 on: May 27, 2017, 09:04:09 PM »

Any reason why Leitch won Surrey?
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« Reply #816 on: May 27, 2017, 09:15:42 PM »


Very bizarre. The areas she won have a high South Asian population, fwiw.
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« Reply #817 on: May 27, 2017, 09:32:58 PM »

Weren't Hindus supporting Trump of his anti-Muslim policies in 2016 a thing? Might've been a similar dynamic up here in Canada.
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« Reply #818 on: May 27, 2017, 09:34:49 PM »

Not at all upset. I liked Bernier, and would've voted for him, but that was mainly for ideological reasons, and I was never quite sold on how electable Bernier might be. Scheer seems like a uniter, a competent and likable fellow, and broadly electable if things go south for the Liberals.

How should Grits and Dippers be feeling tonight?

Grits are very pleased. Scheer has regularly been described as a "nicer Stephen Harper."

Harper did win 3 of 5 elections contested, which is a decent record. I think a nicer, more consensual Harperism could be the way forward for the CPC, at least for the immediate future.
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« Reply #819 on: May 27, 2017, 09:35:49 PM »

Weren't Hindus supporting Trump of his anti-Muslim policies in 2016 a thing? Might've been a similar dynamic up here in Canada.
The reason it's weird is that Leitch had none of Trump's white working class or rural support. It was just her home district and Surrey, afaik.

Although tbh I wouldn't be surprised if a right wing populist campaign in Canada does better among immigrants than WASPs.
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« Reply #820 on: May 27, 2017, 09:36:57 PM »

Hilariously could not win his own riding.

I don't know if it's hilarious or depressing that Trost represents a riding with that includes "University" in the name.
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« Reply #821 on: May 27, 2017, 09:39:27 PM »

How should Grits and Dippers be feeling tonight?

Grits are very pleased. Scheer has regularly been described as a "nicer Stephen Harper."

Yes Scheer is more status quo and not a personal threat but Liberals would have been pleased with Bernier if he was going to continue with his promises of privatizing and abolishing institutions, changes to health care funding, "former separatist". Bernier managed to mobilize people in his own region to block him. I imagine the Liberals could show mobilize voters against Bernier's big changes and the shrinking of the state.  
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« Reply #822 on: May 27, 2017, 09:42:37 PM »

I think Bernier is probably less electable, but I wouldn't have wanted him to win because he'd be able to do far more damage if he was in power.
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« Reply #823 on: May 27, 2017, 09:49:57 PM »

These are things Liberals are saying to journalists, of course.

They are certainly much more comfortable in the short run with Scheer because they've been down this road before. Bernier would have certainly necessitated a revamped strategy, but as others have pointed out, many of his proposals would have hung around him like an Albatros.

Conventional elections can have a habit of going astray, though, so it should be a fun ride. 
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« Reply #824 on: May 27, 2017, 09:55:02 PM »

The next question becomes, of course, what does the new Shadow Cabinet look like, and just how indebted does Scheer feel to Trost and O'Toole?
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