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[YaBoyNY]

Freedom billboard.

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I find it ironic and funny how the supporters of Zionist racism are actually trying to argue against this, as if Israel is even 1/10th as important as the USA.

[YaBoyNY]

I find it ironic and funny how the supporters of Zionist racism are actually trying to argue against this, as if Israel is even 1/10th as important as the USA.

That's a false dichotomy that the dead-jews lobby has tried to create for quite some time, pretending that the two are diametrically opposed. They've long fantasized about transforming Israel into an enemy of the US.

But for the record, Israel's existence > America's convenience.

No, it doesn't trump our convenience.

We don't owe Israel anything, and to insinuate we do is fycking absurd and the mark of an uber Zionist mass racist.

[YaBoyNY]

I find it ironic and funny how the supporters of Zionist racism are actually trying to argue against this, as if Israel is even 1/10th as important as the USA.

That's a false dichotomy that the dead-jews lobby has tried to create for quite some time, pretending that the two are diametrically opposed. They've long fantasized about transforming Israel into an enemy of the US.

But for the record, Israel's existence > America's convenience.

No, it doesn't trump our convenience.

We don't owe Israel anything, and to insinuate we do is fycking absurd and the mark of an uber Zionist mass racist.

6 million Jews < American convenience. Gotcha.

lol @ implying that six million Jews will die without American support to a rogue state that flaunts it's own nuclear weapons (and threatens to level Western cities if ever overrun, all the while throwing a sh!t fit when Iran comes close to getting their own), sells our military secrets to China, and throws missiles at our ships and then goes "lol oops "

This "Israelis will all DIE if America doesn't support their childish, rogue regime" is tired, trite, and old. Please. Nobody with half a brain and or who isn't actually brainwashed by Zionist nonsense believes it.

[YaBoyNY]

I find it ironic and funny how the supporters of Zionist racism are actually trying to argue against this, as if Israel is even 1/10th as important as the USA.

That's a false dichotomy that the dead-jews lobby has tried to create for quite some time, pretending that the two are diametrically opposed. They've long fantasized about transforming Israel into an enemy of the US.

But for the record, Israel's existence > America's convenience.

No, it doesn't trump our convenience.

We don't owe Israel anything, and to insinuate we do is fycking absurd and the mark of an uber Zionist mass racist.

6 million Jews < American convenience. Gotcha.

lol @ implying that six million Jews will die without American support to a rogue state that flaunts it's own nuclear weapons (and threatens to level Western cities if ever overrun, all the while throwing a sh!t fit when Iran comes close to getting their own), sells our military secrets to China, and throws missiles at our ships and then goes "lol oops "

This "Israelis will all DIE if America doesn't support their childish, rogue regime" is tired, trite, and old. Please. Nobody with half a brain and or who isn't actually brainwashed by Zionist nonsense believes it.

You're the one who admitted that Israel's existence is less important to you than America's convenience.

It is. Of course, you have no counter for anything I've said.

[YaBoyNY]

I find it ironic and funny how the supporters of Zionist racism are actually trying to argue against this, as if Israel is even 1/10th as important as the USA.

That's a false dichotomy that the dead-jews lobby has tried to create for quite some time, pretending that the two are diametrically opposed. They've long fantasized about transforming Israel into an enemy of the US.

But for the record, Israel's existence > America's convenience.

No, it doesn't trump our convenience.

We don't owe Israel anything, and to insinuate we do is fycking absurd and the mark of an uber Zionist mass racist.

6 million Jews < American convenience. Gotcha.

lol @ implying that six million Jews will die without American support to a rogue state that flaunts it's own nuclear weapons (and threatens to level Western cities if ever overrun, all the while throwing a sh!t fit when Iran comes close to getting their own), sells our military secrets to China, and throws missiles at our ships and then goes "lol oops "

This "Israelis will all DIE if America doesn't support their childish, rogue regime" is tired, trite, and old. Please. Nobody with half a brain and or who isn't actually brainwashed by Zionist nonsense believes it.

You're the one who admitted that Israel's existence is less important to you than America's convenience.

It is. Of course, you have no counter for anything I've said.

It's funny, we clearly decided that the existence of Kosovo was worth more than our convenience in the 90s. No one argued that this was ridiculous besides total isolationists.

The US has allies. We try to keep them in existence. This isn't a controversial point unless it's Israel.

There was actual genocide going on in Yugoslavia in the 90's.

When have Jews been genocided in the Middle East since Israel's foundation?

Go on, Rubio Republican. You're not all that smart, but surely you can answer this!

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Could we perhaps not have this thread resemble something from CiF?

When have Jews been genocided in the Middle East since Israel's foundation?

Genocide would not be the correct word at all, but the majority of Jewish Israeli families moved there from the rest of the Middle East/North Africa under less than entirely voluntary circumstances.

Yes, exactly. The insulting troll above doesn't really deserve a response, but the Middle East was full of violent purges of Jewish populations, both before the founding of Israel and after. The treatment of the Jewish communities there wasn't all that different from the way Jews were treated in most of Europe before the Holocaust. It was much less focused than the genocide of the Nazis, but these small communities knew that at any time, the locals could riot and kill them en masse. And in many cases, they did.

Probably the most blatant example was the Farhud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud

And of course, in the aftermath of the founding of Israel, many countries just flat-out expelled their entire Jewish populations and stole all their belongings, with a good amount of violence against them on the way out.

Perhaps you wouldn't be insulted if you made actual points and not just appeals to emotion with "teh poor Jews! ", with the occasional dramatic "Jews everywhere live under constant fear of DEATH."

[YaBoyNY]

Could we perhaps not have this thread resemble something from CiF?

When have Jews been genocided in the Middle East since Israel's foundation?

Genocide would not be the correct word at all, but the majority of Jewish Israeli families moved there from the rest of the Middle East/North Africa under less than entirely voluntary circumstances.

Yes, exactly. The insulting troll above doesn't really deserve a response, but the Middle East was full of violent purges of Jewish populations, both before the founding of Israel and after. The treatment of the Jewish communities there wasn't all that different from the way Jews were treated in most of Europe before the Holocaust. It was much less focused than the genocide of the Nazis, but these small communities knew that at any time, the locals could riot and kill them en masse. And in many cases, they did.

Probably the most blatant example was the Farhud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud

And of course, in the aftermath of the founding of Israel, many countries just flat-out expelled their entire Jewish populations and stole all their belongings, with a good amount of violence against them on the way out.

Perhaps you wouldn't be insulted if you made actual points and not just appeals to emotion with "teh poor Jews! ", with the occasional dramatic "Jews everywhere live under constant fear of DEATH."

Yeah, no one cares about your blatant Jew-baiting.

No response to my actually posting about the violent purges of Jewish communities in the ME, of course. You don't care.

Jew-baiting? That's some rich irony coming from the Zionist shill who brings up stuff from sixty years ago as proof that Jews in the year 2015 (decades after the events you mentioned, btw. That's a long time, Rubio Republican!) will somehow be genocided if the United States stops supporting their rogue state.

Do their neighbors hate them? To a large extent, yes. You lose all sympathy, though, when you bring that hate upon yourself by doing such white knight, goodie goodie things as not even bothering to stop illegal settlements, blockading Gaza and forcing it into extreme poverty, and acting like just being Jewish entitles you to take whatever the hell you want if it's anywhere near Jerusalem.

I care far more about the Jewish people than you do. That's why I don't support their Zionist terror-baiting leaders who recklessly and unerringly put Jewish lives on the line daily by antagonizing the sh!t out of all their neighbors as if there was no tomorrow.

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So it's now suddenly Israel's fault that Israel is surrounded by hostile countries that require billions of dollars in foreign aid to not attempt to exterminate six million more Jews. Gotcha.

Considering that Israel is a country created by Zionists settling in territory that prior to the Zionist movement had been largely populated to Arabs, I'd say it is indeed Israel's fault that it is surrounded by hostile countries. While that doesn't excuse that hostility or the potential results of it, it certainly explains it.

I'm not really sure what the alternative was supposed to be? Most of the other proposals were hilariously colonialist ideas that would have likely failed, or ideas that essentially amounted to deportation to a far-off hellhole at the mercy of a hostile power. And staying put certainly wasn't an option, given the murder sprees targeting the small remaining population in Europe. So if it's anyone's fault, I would say it's Europe's for forcing them into that situation.

There's the United States, Europe post-Holocaust (lol @ "murder sprees! jews! ") or really anywhere else. I don't know how disconnected from reality you are, Rubio Republican, but seeing as you're literally blaming Europe for the Jews choosing to go to Palestine and antagonizing literally every single one of their neighbors, I'm going to guess that this is a pretty bad case.

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So it's now suddenly Israel's fault that Israel is surrounded by hostile countries that require billions of dollars in foreign aid to not attempt to exterminate six million more Jews. Gotcha.

Considering that Israel is a country created by Zionists settling in territory that prior to the Zionist movement had been largely populated to Arabs, I'd say it is indeed Israel's fault that it is surrounded by hostile countries. While that doesn't excuse that hostility or the potential results of it, it certainly explains it.

I'm not really sure what the alternative was supposed to be? Most of the other proposals were hilariously colonialist ideas that would have likely failed, or ideas that essentially amounted to deportation to a far-off hellhole at the mercy of a hostile power. And staying put certainly wasn't an option, given the murder sprees targeting the small remaining population in Europe. So if it's anyone's fault, I would say it's Europe's for forcing them into that situation.

There's the United States, Europe post-Holocaust (lol @ "murder sprees! jews! ") or really anywhere else. I don't know how disconnected from reality you are, Rubio Republican, but seeing as you're literally blaming Europe for the Jews choosing to go to Palestine and antagonizing literally every single one of their neighbors, I'm going to guess that this is a pretty bad case.

Please read this. Facts matter.

Yeah, facts do matter.

So where's the homeland for Gypsies? What about the one for Homosexuals? How about German blacks?

So it's now suddenly Israel's fault that Israel is surrounded by hostile countries that require billions of dollars in foreign aid to not attempt to exterminate six million more Jews. Gotcha.

Considering that Israel is a country created by Zionists settling in territory that prior to the Zionist movement had been largely populated to Arabs, I'd say it is indeed Israel's fault that it is surrounded by hostile countries. While that doesn't excuse that hostility or the potential results of it, it certainly explains it.

I'm not really sure what the alternative was supposed to be? Most of the other proposals were hilariously colonialist ideas that would have likely failed, or ideas that essentially amounted to deportation to a far-off hellhole at the mercy of a hostile power. And staying put certainly wasn't an option, given the murder sprees targeting the small remaining population in Europe. So if it's anyone's fault, I would say it's Europe's for forcing them into that situation.

There's the United States, Europe post-Holocaust (lol @ "murder sprees! jews! ") or really anywhere else. I don't know how disconnected from reality you are, Rubio Republican, but seeing as you're literally blaming Europe for the Jews choosing to go to Palestine and antagonizing literally every single one of their neighbors, I'm going to guess that this is a pretty bad case.

Please read this. Facts matter.

The anti-Israel crowd really has no respect for the facts or the history.  For them, Jews are colonialist, white, European oppressors and Palestinians are virtuous victims.  They don't want to know the actual history, lest it corrupt their pure hatred of the Jewish state.

Listen, if you were a Polish Jew, you had lived through the holocaust, you were homeless because Polish people took your house, you were experiencing awful anti-Semitism and pogroms, and you saw the specter of Soviet domination and oppression, what would you do?  You'd want to GTFO!!!  Right!?

And, where could you go?  We didn't have awesome magic open liberal immigration.  Europe was in ruins and didn't want a bunch of refugees.  America had strict limits on immigration between the 1920s and 1960s.  Israel was the best option for most Jewish refugees at the time.  And, it made sense.  In light of the holocaust and the history of the Jewish people, you have to understand that establishment of a Jewish state was seen as the only way forward. 

So, again, this isn't Europe's fault. Thanks for agreeing with me. The Jews wanted a homeland. Awesome. They got one at the expense of the people already living there. Those people who were displaced and their neighbors, understandably, do not like them.

What's so difficult to grasp about this? No where did I say "let's remove Israel from the map." I've made numerous points and none mentioned anything even remotely close to that. I said that:

1) Israel does not come before the United States' convenience unless we can prove that it's absolutely necessary for us to be there to prevent a genocide. And no, fearmongering bullsh!t "the Jews will all be KILLED!1111" from the Zionist crowd isn't actual evidence.

2) Israel's government continuously provokes their neighbors, gives Palestinians more of a reason to dislike them, and has precisely zero regard for the lives of innocent Israelis. When confronted on this, people such as myself are called "Jew-baiters", "the anti-Israeli" crowd, or something else equally as idiotic.

3) Israel is a rogue, untrustworthy ally. They've proven this numerous times in the past, most recently with their leaking of American military secrets to China.

Wow. What a fantastic ally! They sure deserve to have some more military aid from us!

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So it's now suddenly Israel's fault that Israel is surrounded by hostile countries that require billions of dollars in foreign aid to not attempt to exterminate six million more Jews. Gotcha.

Considering that Israel is a country created by Zionists settling in territory that prior to the Zionist movement had been largely populated to Arabs, I'd say it is indeed Israel's fault that it is surrounded by hostile countries. While that doesn't excuse that hostility or the potential results of it, it certainly explains it.

I'm not really sure what the alternative was supposed to be? Most of the other proposals were hilariously colonialist ideas that would have likely failed, or ideas that essentially amounted to deportation to a far-off hellhole at the mercy of a hostile power. And staying put certainly wasn't an option, given the murder sprees targeting the small remaining population in Europe. So if it's anyone's fault, I would say it's Europe's for forcing them into that situation.

There's the United States, Europe post-Holocaust (lol @ "murder sprees! jews! ") or really anywhere else. I don't know how disconnected from reality you are, Rubio Republican, but seeing as you're literally blaming Europe for the Jews choosing to go to Palestine and antagonizing literally every single one of their neighbors, I'm going to guess that this is a pretty bad case.

Yeah, you're a history-denying anti-semite and we're done here. I can only hope that this board is rid of you soon.

Edgy rebuttal. Perhaps you'd care to address the part where I mentioned the fact that my care for the individual Jewish people in Israel is why I find it utterly repulsive to support their government which cares not for any individual Jewish life? Oh, of course not. You'd have to admit your argument has been shot full of holes from the start then.