Controversy Surrounds Billboard Up in Detroit.

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Well they are right. If it was any other nation besides Israel everyone would agree.

Or if the billboard was in any other nation besides the United States everyone would agree.  Having said that we need more billboards like this one.  See my signature for why.

Nice out-of-context quote, completely ignoring my actual point. Very characteristic of most professional Israel-critics - twist the facts as much as possible to demonize Israel and its supporters.

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I find it ironic and funny how the supporters of Zionist racism are actually trying to argue against this, as if Israel is even 1/10th as important as the USA.

That's a false dichotomy that the dead-jews lobby has tried to create for quite some time, pretending that the two are diametrically opposed. They've long fantasized about transforming Israel into an enemy of the US.

But for the record, Israel's existence > America's convenience.

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I find it ironic and funny how the supporters of Zionist racism are actually trying to argue against this, as if Israel is even 1/10th as important as the USA.

That's a false dichotomy that the dead-jews lobby has tried to create for quite some time, pretending that the two are diametrically opposed. They've long fantasized about transforming Israel into an enemy of the US.

But for the record, Israel's existence > America's convenience.

Sounds like a terrorist group from "Life of Brian".

It seems a fitting term for those outsiders whose obsession with isolating and eliminating Israel supersedes all other causes for them.

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I find it ironic and funny how the supporters of Zionist racism are actually trying to argue against this, as if Israel is even 1/10th as important as the USA.

That's a false dichotomy that the dead-jews lobby has tried to create for quite some time, pretending that the two are diametrically opposed. They've long fantasized about transforming Israel into an enemy of the US.

But for the record, Israel's existence > America's convenience.

No, it doesn't trump our convenience.

We don't owe Israel anything, and to insinuate we do is fycking absurd and the mark of an uber Zionist mass racist.

6 million Jews < American convenience. Gotcha.

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I find it ironic and funny how the supporters of Zionist racism are actually trying to argue against this, as if Israel is even 1/10th as important as the USA.

That's a false dichotomy that the dead-jews lobby has tried to create for quite some time, pretending that the two are diametrically opposed. They've long fantasized about transforming Israel into an enemy of the US.

But for the record, Israel's existence > America's convenience.

No, it doesn't trump our convenience.

We don't owe Israel anything, and to insinuate we do is fycking absurd and the mark of an uber Zionist mass racist.

6 million Jews < American convenience. Gotcha.

lol @ implying that six million Jews will die without American support to a rogue state that flaunts it's own nuclear weapons (and threatens to level Western cities if ever overrun, all the while throwing a sh!t fit when Iran comes close to getting their own), sells our military secrets to China, and throws missiles at our ships and then goes "lol oops "

This "Israelis will all DIE if America doesn't support their childish, rogue regime" is tired, trite, and old. Please. Nobody with half a brain and or who isn't actually brainwashed by Zionist nonsense believes it.

You're the one who admitted that Israel's existence is less important to you than America's convenience.

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I find it ironic and funny how the supporters of Zionist racism are actually trying to argue against this, as if Israel is even 1/10th as important as the USA.

That's a false dichotomy that the dead-jews lobby has tried to create for quite some time, pretending that the two are diametrically opposed. They've long fantasized about transforming Israel into an enemy of the US.

But for the record, Israel's existence > America's convenience.

No, it doesn't trump our convenience.

We don't owe Israel anything, and to insinuate we do is fycking absurd and the mark of an uber Zionist mass racist.

6 million Jews < American convenience. Gotcha.

lol @ implying that six million Jews will die without American support to a rogue state that flaunts it's own nuclear weapons (and threatens to level Western cities if ever overrun, all the while throwing a sh!t fit when Iran comes close to getting their own), sells our military secrets to China, and throws missiles at our ships and then goes "lol oops "

This "Israelis will all DIE if America doesn't support their childish, rogue regime" is tired, trite, and old. Please. Nobody with half a brain and or who isn't actually brainwashed by Zionist nonsense believes it.

You're the one who admitted that Israel's existence is less important to you than America's convenience.

It is. Of course, you have no counter for anything I've said.

It's funny, we clearly decided that the existence of Kosovo was worth more than our convenience in the 90s. No one argued that this was ridiculous besides total isolationists.

The US has allies. We try to keep them in existence. This isn't a controversial point unless it's Israel.

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Also, like half that post is unsourced lies about evil Israel conspiring agains the US, which...not a surprise. At all.

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It is. Of course, you have no counter for anything I've said.

It's funny, we clearly decided that the existence of Kosovo was worth more than our convenience in the 90s. No one argued that this was ridiculous besides total isolationists.

I'm pretty sure we aren't giving Kosvo $3 billion a year.  Stop the propaganda.

The US has allies. We try to keep them in existence. This isn't a controversial point unless it's Israel we are spending over 18% of our foreign aid on them.

Fixed if for you!

Where the hell are you getting 18% from? The total US economic assistance given was 40B. Israel got less than 3B, the vast majority of which went to military R&D that the United States benefits from.

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So it's now suddenly Israel's fault that Israel is surrounded by hostile countries that require billions of dollars in foreign aid to not attempt to exterminate six million more Jews. Gotcha.

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So it's now suddenly Israel's fault that Israel is surrounded by hostile countries that require billions of dollars in foreign aid to not attempt to exterminate six million more Jews. Gotcha.

Good God dude!
Show some dignity and stop whining like a freaking baby.

I'm not the one taking up most of this thread pissing and moaning about "muh tax dollars" when 9% of 1% of the US budget goes to military assistance to Israel.

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Could we perhaps not have this thread resemble something from CiF?

When have Jews been genocided in the Middle East since Israel's foundation?

Genocide would not be the correct word at all, but the majority of Jewish Israeli families moved there from the rest of the Middle East/North Africa under less than entirely voluntary circumstances.

Yes, exactly. The insulting troll above doesn't really deserve a response, but the Middle East was full of violent purges of Jewish populations, both before the founding of Israel and after. The treatment of the Jewish communities there wasn't all that different from the way Jews were treated in most of Europe before the Holocaust. It was much less focused than the genocide of the Nazis, but these small communities knew that at any time, the locals could riot and kill them en masse. And in many cases, they did.

Probably the most blatant example was the Farhud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud

And of course, in the aftermath of the founding of Israel, many countries just flat-out expelled their entire Jewish populations and stole all their belongings, with a good amount of violence against them on the way out.

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Could we perhaps not have this thread resemble something from CiF?

When have Jews been genocided in the Middle East since Israel's foundation?

Genocide would not be the correct word at all, but the majority of Jewish Israeli families moved there from the rest of the Middle East/North Africa under less than entirely voluntary circumstances.

Yes, exactly. The insulting troll above doesn't really deserve a response, but the Middle East was full of violent purges of Jewish populations, both before the founding of Israel and after. The treatment of the Jewish communities there wasn't all that different from the way Jews were treated in most of Europe before the Holocaust. It was much less focused than the genocide of the Nazis, but these small communities knew that at any time, the locals could riot and kill them en masse. And in many cases, they did.

Probably the most blatant example was the Farhud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud

And of course, in the aftermath of the founding of Israel, many countries just flat-out expelled their entire Jewish populations and stole all their belongings, with a good amount of violence against them on the way out.

Perhaps you wouldn't be insulted if you made actual points and not just appeals to emotion with "teh poor Jews! ", with the occasional dramatic "Jews everywhere live under constant fear of DEATH."

Yeah, no one cares about your blatant Jew-baiting.

No response to my actually posting about the violent purges of Jewish communities in the ME, of course. You don't care.

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So it's now suddenly Israel's fault that Israel is surrounded by hostile countries that require billions of dollars in foreign aid to not attempt to exterminate six million more Jews. Gotcha.

Considering that Israel is a country created by Zionists settling in territory that prior to the Zionist movement had been largely populated to Arabs, I'd say it is indeed Israel's fault that it is surrounded by hostile countries. While that doesn't excuse that hostility or the potential results of it, it certainly explains it.

I'm not really sure what the alternative was supposed to be? Most of the other proposals were hilariously colonialist ideas that would have likely failed, or ideas that essentially amounted to deportation to a far-off hellhole at the mercy of a hostile power. And staying put certainly wasn't an option, given the murder sprees targeting the small remaining population in Europe. So if it's anyone's fault, I would say it's Europe's for forcing them into that situation.

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So it's now suddenly Israel's fault that Israel is surrounded by hostile countries that require billions of dollars in foreign aid to not attempt to exterminate six million more Jews. Gotcha.

Considering that Israel is a country created by Zionists settling in territory that prior to the Zionist movement had been largely populated to Arabs, I'd say it is indeed Israel's fault that it is surrounded by hostile countries. While that doesn't excuse that hostility or the potential results of it, it certainly explains it.

I'm not really sure what the alternative was supposed to be? Most of the other proposals were hilariously colonialist ideas that would have likely failed, or ideas that essentially amounted to deportation to a far-off hellhole at the mercy of a hostile power. And staying put certainly wasn't an option, given the murder sprees targeting the small remaining population in Europe. So if it's anyone's fault, I would say it's Europe's for forcing them into that situation.

There's the United States, Europe post-Holocaust (lol @ "murder sprees! jews! ") or really anywhere else. I don't know how disconnected from reality you are, Rubio Republican, but seeing as you're literally blaming Europe for the Jews choosing to go to Palestine and antagonizing literally every single one of their neighbors, I'm going to guess that this is a pretty bad case.

Yeah, you're a history-denying anti-semite and we're done here. I can only hope that this board is rid of you soon.

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And I don't see why this is a case for a ban on billboards, personally. It's offensive, especially given the historical context of "America first" being a Nazi sympathizer group, but the best response is to fight back louder and with the truth.

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And I don't see why this is a case for a ban on billboards, personally. It's offensive, especially given the historical context of "America first" being a Nazi sympathizer group, but the best response is to fight back louder and with the truth.

Just to be clear, I hate billboards in general, and the predicate for their ban would have nothing to do with the content of some of them being offensive to some or most people. Rather it is about aesthetics.

Ah, they don't really bother me either way. Although I certainly wouldn't care if they went away.

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The man behind this billboard, Paul Eisen, is a holocaust denier.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3187428/Jeremy-Corbyn-s-links-notorious-Holocaust-denier-revealed.html

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The man behind this billboard, Paul Eisen, is a holocaust denier.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3187428/Jeremy-Corbyn-s-links-notorious-Holocaust-denier-revealed.html

So?  He's in good company with those that agree with the billboard who are not holocaust deniers.  He's just a bigger asshole.

I'm sure it would be worth considering if the man behind a billboard criticizing Obamacare was a member of the KKK. This is no difference. People should know who they are supporting.

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The man behind this billboard, Paul Eisen, is a holocaust denier.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3187428/Jeremy-Corbyn-s-links-notorious-Holocaust-denier-revealed.html

I like how you toss this out as if it really changes anything. Well, I guess the guy behind a billboard is a Holocaust denier, so now we should just become Likudniks and support expansionist foreign policy in Israel.

You're trying to muddy the waters to stifle discussion.

Again, would you be willing to say "Well, this KKK leader has good ideas on tax policy, so I guess it's okay that he's put up a billboard"?