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« on: October 23, 2015, 12:13:41 PM »

This looks like a winner no matter how it goes. We have the incumbent Vice-President against someone with unique qualifications as

(1) the Mayor of a large city -- Cleveland
(2) an effective governor of a certifiable swing state (Ohio, of course), and
(3) a US Senator.

George Voinovich (R-OH) runs for President, and John McCain does not. Karl Rove reaches into his bag of dirty tricks and tries to connect him due to his  Croatian ancestry to the fascist pig Ustase movement. That implodes, and with it so does the George W. Bush campaign. Karl Rove has become toxic, and no matter who wins the Presidency he will never exercise any political power, formal or informal, again. 
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2015, 12:24:29 PM »

I'd say Voinovich wins with about 52% of the vote and 300 EV.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2015, 12:59:15 PM »
« Edited: November 28, 2020, 10:19:42 PM by bagelman »



✓ George Voinovich (R-OH) / Elizabeth Dole (R-NC) 287 EV

Al Gore (D-TN) / Joe Lieberman (D-CT) 251 EV

Ralph Nader (G-CT) / Winona LaDuke (G-CA) 0 EV

Florida flips because of reduced southern conservative turnout but that's more than covered for by Voinovich's moderate and midwestern appeal.
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2015, 03:35:18 PM »


327: Sen. George Voinovich(R-OH)/Gov. Christine Whitman(R-NJ) - 50.1%
211: Vice Pres. Al Gore(D-TE)/Sen. Joe Lieberman(D-CT) - 46.7%
000: Former Congressman John B. Anderson(Reform-IL)/Former Sen. Mike Gravel(Reform-AK) - 3.6%
Other: .5%
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2015, 09:01:43 PM »

I don't think that Voinovich wins Minnesota (the state swings little), so it is really close. He is more likely to win Michigan than Minnesota. Voinovich does not need help in Florida. He has more legitimate achievements than Dubya, and it shows.

I can see him winning Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2015, 09:37:16 PM »

I don't think that Voinovich wins Minnesota (the state swings little), so it is really close. He is more likely to win Michigan than Minnesota. Voinovich does not need help in Florida. He has more legitimate achievements than Dubya, and it shows.

I can see him winning Pennsylvania.
IOTL, Bush came closer to winning Minnesota than Michigan.
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2015, 10:44:02 PM »

I don't think that Voinovich wins Minnesota (the state swings little), so it is really close. He is more likely to win Michigan than Minnesota. Voinovich does not need help in Florida. He has more legitimate achievements than Dubya, and it shows.

I can see him winning Pennsylvania.
IOTL, Bush came closer to winning Minnesota than Michigan.

In the worst two years for Democratic nominees for President, Minnesota was second-best and best in those two elections (1972 and 1984). In 2008, the best year for a Democratic nominee for President in a binary election since LBJ in 1964, it wasn't anything special.

But that is one state, one that swings less than any other state. It's also nearly trivial.   

In a Democratic blowout (60-40) the Democrat could win the state 59-41.

...We have two different meanings for the word "swing" in the Atlas. A "swing state" is a state that is typically close in a close election and can make the difference in a close election -- like Colorado, Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire, or Ohio. A state that can swing wildly is one that goes very badly for one nominee, exaggerating his loss and going very well for someone who fits the culture. Example: West Virginia was worse than average for McGovern, but really good for Carter and Clinton, and absolutely horrible for Obama.

I thought that Voinovich was going to do better in the general election and win with less controversy. A scenario in which Voinovich wins without Florida is intriguing.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2015, 11:02:56 PM »

With Gore winning Florida:




✓ George Voinovich (R-OH) / Charles Hagel (R-NE) 277 EV

Al Gore (D-TN) / Carl Levin (D-MI) 261 EV

Ralph Nader (G-CT) / Winona LaDuke (G-CA) 0 EV

Florida flips, but Iowa and Wisconsin decide it by fewer than 1000 votes each.   Just about any active Republican pol is a better campaigner than Dick Cheney, so that helps.  Levin is a better campaigner than Lieberman, but not enough to make a difference in this scenario.

With Voinovich winning Florida but not winning Oregon or Pennsylvania:



✓ George Voinovich (R-OH) / Charles Hagel (R-NE) 272 EV

Al Gore (D-TN) / Carl Levin (D-MI) 266 EV

Ralph Nader (G-CT) / Winona LaDuke (G-CA) 0 EV

Voinovich still wins Florida by enough votes (about 30K) that there isn't any controversy.

Close, but fair and square.
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