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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2004, 04:24:04 pm »
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McClellan always assumed he was outnumbered.that's why he was overly cautious.

That's mainly because Lee and Johnston were able to trick McClellan into believing he had nearly 200,000 men on the Pennisula.  McClellan would see long lines of Confederate troops martching in the distance and assume the Confederates had great numbers.

In acctuality, the Confederates only had about 60,000 men.  They would march their soldiers in long circles to creat the impression of long marching lines.

McClellan was dumb enough to fall for it hook, line and sinker.
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2004, 04:27:29 pm »
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They should have made old Mac the Quartermaster General. I give him a lot of credit for the success of the AOP.
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2004, 04:34:49 pm »
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McClellan always assumed he was outnumbered.that's why he was overly cautious.

Edwin M. Stanton said, "We could give McClellan a million men! He would then cry the enemy had two million and sit down in the mud an yell out for three."
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2004, 04:39:49 pm »
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Ironically, though McClellan was a terrible commander, he lost far fewer men during his time as commander of the Army of the Potomac than Grant did.  Of course, Grant fought about two dozen major battles, while McClellan only fought a few.
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2004, 05:58:29 pm »
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Ironically, though McClellan was a terrible commander, he lost far fewer men during his time as commander of the Army of the Potomac than Grant did.  Of course, Grant fought about two dozen major battles, while McClellan only fought a few.

Grant lost more men because he used them. McClellan was afriad of using his army.
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« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2004, 05:59:10 pm »
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« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2004, 06:14:36 pm »
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Ironically, though McClellan was a terrible commander, he lost far fewer men during his time as commander of the Army of the Potomac than Grant did.  Of course, Grant fought about two dozen major battles, while McClellan only fought a few.

Grant lost more men because he used them. McClellan was afriad of using his army.

Which was my point.
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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2004, 06:48:04 pm »
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At Cold Harbor 7,000 men fell in 17 minutes. It was so bloody that an entire regiment from New York was wiped out, that is all except the flag bearer. The flag bearer, a 15-year old from a small New York town, marched toward some entrenched Confederates from Alabama. Amazed at his persitance the Confederates held their fire and told him to turn back. When the flag bearer, who was told by his captain to not look back, looked back he saw he was all alone.  He did not panick, he stood still, gave an about face, and marched off. The Confederates cheered until the Yankee was out of sight.
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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2004, 06:59:32 pm »
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At Petersburg 7,000 men fell in 17 minutes. It was so bloody that an entire regiment from New York was wiped out, that is all except the flag bearer. The flag bearer, a 15-year old from a small New York town, marched toward some entrenched Confederates from Alabama. Amazed at his persitance the Confederates held their fire and told him to turn back. When the flag bearer, who was told by his captain to not look back, looked back he saw he was all alone.  He did not panick, he stood still, gave an about face, and marched off. The Confederates cheered until the Yankee was out of sight.

That was at Cold Harbor.
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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2004, 07:00:21 pm »
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At Petersburg 7,000 men fell in 17 minutes. It was so bloody that an entire regiment from New York was wiped out, that is all except the flag bearer. The flag bearer, a 15-year old from a small New York town, marched toward some entrenched Confederates from Alabama. Amazed at his persitance the Confederates held their fire and told him to turn back. When the flag bearer, who was told by his captain to not look back, looked back he saw he was all alone.  He did not panick, he stood still, gave an about face, and marched off. The Confederates cheered until the Yankee was out of sight.

That was at Cold Harbor.

I meant cold Harbor. I'll edit that.
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« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2004, 07:46:12 am »
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And what exactly was Grant doing at Cold Harbor? Drunk in his tent I believe.
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« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2004, 10:16:26 am »
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And what exactly was Grant doing at Cold Harbor? Drunk in his tent I believe.

No, Grant gave up drinking for most of the war, after Shiloh.
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« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2004, 07:24:58 am »
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He had a re-occurence with drinking at Cold Harbor.
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« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2004, 03:48:22 pm »
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After Fort Donnelson General Henry "Old Brains" Halleck spread the rumor Grant was drinking. Lincoln then stated,"Tell me the name of his brand and i'll send a bottle of it to my other generals."
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« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2004, 08:31:02 pm »
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My friend, who is a Civil War reenactor and know-it-all, says Sherman and Forrest were the best Union and Confederate generals, respectively.
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« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2004, 09:07:25 pm »
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After Fort Donnelson General Henry "Old Brains" Halleck spread the rumor Grant was drinking. Lincoln then stated,"Tell me the name of his brand and i'll send a bottle of it to my other generals."

Another qoute from Lincoln about Grant was "I cannot spare this man.  He fights."
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« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2004, 01:07:31 am »
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I still like McClellan comparing Lincoln to a, "Damn Baboon" or something like that.
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« Reply #42 on: April 22, 2004, 05:07:47 pm »
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After Fort Donnelson General Henry "Old Brains" Halleck spread the rumor Grant was drinking. Lincoln then stated,"Tell me the name of his brand and i'll send a bottle of it to my other generals."

Another qoute from Lincoln about Grant was "I cannot spare this man.  He fights."

Lincoln tended to like western generals more then eastern ones.
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« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2004, 05:14:16 pm »
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they were generally more succesful.
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« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2004, 05:38:46 pm »
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they were generally more succesful.
you wear the button! Wink
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« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2004, 05:40:40 pm »
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they were generally more succesful.
you wear the button! Wink
just added it. Cool
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« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2004, 05:41:16 pm »
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they were generally more succesful.
you wear the button! Wink
just added it. Cool
great!
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« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2004, 05:42:25 pm »
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i saw it on the progressive site yesterday but didn't know how to add it. Cool
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« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2004, 05:44:29 pm »
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i saw it on the progressive site yesterday but didn't know how to add it. Cool
I just add it today to the forum...I think...
It's great.
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« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2004, 05:46:24 pm »
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ya that's where i copied it from Cool
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