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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2015, 08:46:10 PM »

I don't get Atlas' obsession with PA, I simply don't. Especially since the same people who have NH listed as Tossup call PA Safe D. Even most pundits consider PA a competitive state with an ever so slightly Democratic lean, but Atlas acts as if it's as winnable for the GOP as CA or NY. Look, PA was close to being the tipping point state in 2012, and recent polls suggest that the state is indeed winnable for the GOP (whether the Republican advantage lasts remains to be seen, of course). And meanwhile Hillary is absolutely annihilating Republicans in New Hampshire (despite the email controversy), yet Atlas calls NH a Tossup. What is the logic behind this? It's one thing to rate PA Likely/Safe D, but then you can't go ahead and put NH, OH and VA in the Toss-up column (you'd have to rate those states Lean D since they either voted to the left of PA in 2012 (as is the case with NH) or voted Democratic for the same reasons as PA (as is the case with OH and VA: high minority turnout and demographics, Democratic-leaning suburbanites, etc.)

Pennsylvania is a hella inelastic state.  New Hampshire is hella elastic.  More to the point, universal swing is a myth.  There are simply not enough voters in Pennsylvania who would consider voting GOP in a Presidential election to have it go Republican in anything other than a landslide year.  "Pennsylvania is actually a swing state, guys, look at how close it was in 2012!" is up there with "Man, the Republicans just need to become socially liberal but fiscally conservative, then they'd win for sure!" and "The Midwest is trending Republican guys, look at the PVI!" as signs that the poster is either 12 or just really really new to the art of amateur psephology.
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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2015, 09:02:31 PM »

I don't get Atlas' obsession with PA, I simply don't. Especially since the same people who have NH listed as Tossup call PA Safe D. Even most pundits consider PA a competitive state with an ever so slightly Democratic lean, but Atlas acts as if it's as winnable for the GOP as CA or NY. Look, PA was close to being the tipping point state in 2012, and recent polls suggest that the state is indeed winnable for the GOP (whether the Republican advantage lasts remains to be seen, of course). And meanwhile Hillary is absolutely annihilating Republicans in New Hampshire (despite the email controversy), yet Atlas calls NH a Tossup. What is the logic behind this? It's one thing to rate PA Likely/Safe D, but then you can't go ahead and put NH, OH and VA in the Toss-up column (you'd have to rate those states Lean D since they either voted to the left of PA in 2012 (as is the case with NH) or voted Democratic for the same reasons as PA (as is the case with OH and VA: high minority turnout and demographics, Democratic-leaning suburbanites, etc.)

Pennsylvania is a hella inelastic state.  New Hampshire is hella elastic.  More to the point, universal swing is a myth.  There are simply not enough voters in Pennsylvania who would consider voting GOP in a Presidential election to have it go Republican in anything other than a landslide year.  "Pennsylvania is actually a swing state, guys, look at how close it was in 2012!" is up there with "Man, the Republicans just need to become socially liberal but fiscally conservative, then they'd win for sure!" and "The Midwest is trending Republican guys, look at the PVI!" as signs that the poster is either 12 or just really really new to the art of amateur psephology.


There is no evidence that PA is inelastic. It moves exactly with the NPV. Youre saying that if the GOP candidate got 52% of the NPV, PA would stay Dem. It wouldnt, neither would WI.
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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2015, 10:44:07 AM »

Rubio/Walker
Clinton/Castro
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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2015, 11:25:33 AM »

Pennsylvania is a hella inelastic state.  New Hampshire is hella elastic.  

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for this claim?
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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2015, 11:32:39 AM »

Rubio/Kasich vs Clinton Castro

Rubio/Kasich wins 282-256, well give or take Pennsylvania, it'll be close.
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« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2015, 11:35:50 AM »

Rubio/Kasich vs Clinton Castro

Rubio/Kasich wins 282-256, well give or take Pennsylvania, it'll be close.


Kaisch blew his chance at VP when he got in the race. Had he stayed out, he'd win. Castro is the most cynical affirmative action candidate ever.
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« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2015, 11:42:22 AM »

Clinton/Kaine defeats Rubio/Kasich
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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2015, 11:45:21 AM »
« Edited: October 31, 2015, 11:50:35 AM by Torie »

Pennsylvania is a hella inelastic state.  New Hampshire is hella elastic.  

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for this claim?

The first step is to arithmetically define what elasticity means. Is it a measure of the volatility in swings (as opposed to trends)? And what time frame is being used for the measure? And how much additional weight is given to more recent data points in the time frame used, if any? Once one defines all of this, then there is actually a right and a wrong answer. Absent doing that, then it is all a matter of opinion as folks use different metrics.
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« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2015, 11:49:22 AM »

The people who are predicting that Clinton will pick a sitting Democratic Senator from a state with a Republican governor for her running mate, why on earth would she do that?
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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2015, 11:52:01 AM »

The people who are predicting that Clinton will pick a sitting Democratic Senator from a state with a Republican governor for her running mate, why on earth would she do that?

Because for some reason, she thinks losing a Dem Senator for a period of time is a cost worth paying?
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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2015, 11:58:33 AM »

The people who are predicting that Clinton will pick a sitting Democratic Senator from a state with a Republican governor for her running mate, why on earth would she do that?

Because for some reason, she thinks losing a Dem Senator for a period of time is a cost worth paying?
If Democrats take back control of the Senate, the margin is probably going to be a tie, 1, or maybe 2 seats. There is literally not a single Senator that Democrats can afford to lose in that scenario.
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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2015, 12:05:55 PM »

The people who are predicting that Clinton will pick a sitting Democratic Senator from a state with a Republican governor for her running mate, why on earth would she do that?

I could see her picking Booker since NJ would have a special election in 2017 and it's fairly reliably Democratic.
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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2015, 12:25:15 PM »

Senator Marco Rubio(R-FL)/Governor John Kasich(R-OH)
Former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton(D-NY)/Senator Cory Booker(D-NJ)
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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2015, 12:27:53 PM »

Clinton/Castro vs. Trump/Brewer
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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2015, 12:28:44 PM »

Hillary Clinton/Hilda Solis (D)

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Marco Rubio/John Kasich (R)
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« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2015, 01:56:06 PM »

Parking ticket vs Traffic ticket! Cheesy
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« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2015, 02:00:46 PM »

Clinton/Kaine vs. Rubio/Kasich

Clinton wins 285-253, 50-48%
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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2015, 07:27:25 PM »


Again...Castro less qualified than Dan Quayle
Quayle's record on paper wasn't the problem.

He had spent six years in the US House, and eight in the Senate.

That compares favorably to John Edwards (six years in the Senate), Barack Obama (four years in the Senate), Sarah Palin (two years as Governor circa 2008) and Paul Ryan (14 years in the House circa 2012) all of whom were on a national ticket.
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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2015, 08:57:04 PM »

Clinton/Kaine vs. Kasich/Rubio vs. Trump/Steve King
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« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2015, 09:27:09 PM »

What is with all the Kasich predictions? Kasich will not be on the ticket! He maybe had a chance until this past debate, when he completely blew any chance he had away. All he came across was in the debate was a complete grouch. He underwent a complete personality change (or maybe he just finally settled into his real personality). He said the moderators did a fine job. He's too moderate, or at least he's presenting himself that way. He's out.

Rubio/Haley and Clinton/somebody
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« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2015, 09:33:58 PM »

Castro is a total clown and a joke (being totally serious). If Clinton picks him, she deserves to lose the election.
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« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2015, 10:49:46 PM »

Castro is a total clown and a joke (being totally serious). If Clinton picks him, she deserves to lose the election.

While I don't know if "total clown" is an accurate description, he certainly lacks the experience to be either a "heartbeat from the presidency" or an effective national campaigner. He's an up-and-comer, yes. But this is not his cycle, and I do not understand those who think he's a VP shoe-in.
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« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2015, 11:04:31 PM »

I vow to personally rip the testicles and/or labia off the next poster who has Pennsylvania going Republican.



Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren vs. Donald Trump/Ben Carson

America loves Bernie's "free everything!" platform after opening the country's eyes to the benefits of socialism, but Pennsylvania's Republican trend amongst working class whites is just too strong

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« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2015, 12:09:52 AM »
« Edited: November 01, 2015, 01:48:25 AM by I support Sanders »

What is with all the Kasich predictions? Kasich will not be on the ticket! He maybe had a chance until this past debate, when he completely blew any chance he had away. All he came across was in the debate was a complete grouch. He underwent a complete personality change (or maybe he just finally settled into his real personality). He said the moderators did a fine job. He's too moderate, or at least he's presenting himself that way. He's out.

Rubio/Haley and Clinton/somebody
Kasich is considered to be a real contender due to him being the popular, two-term governor of the important swing state of Ohio. He has real results as a result of his governorship, has proven that he can win Democratic and independent votes, and is a reasonable conservative. He is betting his campaign on winning New Hampshire, and right now, he has the best campaign in that state. He would at least make a decent VP.
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« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2015, 01:05:27 AM »

  275 EV[/color]

Hillary Clinton/Sherrod Brown (D)  263 EV

Marco Rubio/Rick Snyder (R)  275 EV

It all hinges as to whether or not Snyder can swing Michigan.  I think Pennsylvania is more solid for the Democrats than many here think.
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