Who wins: Rubio v. Clinton?

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

270-268 Clinton.

I imagine this would spark an identity crisis in the GOP and would be good for a few laughs.

[President Johnson]

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton/Senator Tim Kaine: 309 EV. (51.27%)
Senator Marco Rubio/Governor Chris Christie: 229 EV. (47.85%)

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Rubio would win easily.

I know you've got this obsession with this idea. But Clinton would win, maybe not easily, but certainly a clear win.

[Sir Mohamed]

Likely a close victory for Hillary; but it also depends on the running mates. Strongrest for each would be Kasich and Kaine.

Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine: 285 EV. (49.5%)
Marco Rubio/John Kasish: 253 EV. (48.9%)

[Thomas D]

Rubio wants to ban abortion even in cases of rape & incest.

If that's news to you it won't be after every speaker at the Democratic Convention talks about it in their speeches. And it won't be after every Democratic TV & Radio ad hits the issue in September and October.

Clinton. With about 340 EV's.

[windjammer]

Rubio would win easily.

I know you've got this obsession with this idea. But Clinton would win, maybe not easily, but certainly a clear win.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Rubio wins easily, 353 to 185:

Closest states are:
Michigan
Oregon
Maine's 2nd
Wisconsin
New Mexico
Maine AL
New Jersey
New Hampshire
Washington
Illinois
Minnesota
Maine's 1st

[Lief 🗽]

Rubio sweats LIKE A DOG, looks like a BABY, and speaks like he's wearing BRACES. Clinton would give him a good thrashing, of course.

[Nyvin]

Rubio wins easily, 353 to 185:

Closest states are:
Michigan
Oregon
Maine's 2nd
Wisconsin
New Mexico
Maine AL
New Jersey
New Hampshire
Washington
Illinois
Minnesota
Maine's 1st

I don't believe this is *quite* what the polls are telling us.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Rubio wants to ban abortion even in cases of rape & incest.

If that's news to you it won't be after every speaker at the Democratic Convention talks about it in their speeches. And it won't be after every Democratic TV & Radio ad hits the issue in September and October.

Clinton. With about 340 EV's.

Rubio also has some questionable personal finances and while he is good at delivering canned talking points his debate performances have shown that he is not very good talking off the cuff or very quick on his feet.
Whoever predicts an easy Rubio win must give us a good reason besides him suffering with Clinton Derangement Syndrome.  

[bobloblaw]

Clinton would win New Hampshire easily. Not sure about the other states, this could go either way. My guess:

Clinton/Kaine: 250 EV
Rubio/Kasich: 288 EV

This really could go either way.

My guess:

Close states:

Virginia: Clinton +0.01% (with the help of Terry McAuliffe )
Pennsylvania: Rubio +0.1%
Colorado: Rubio +0.4%
Ohio: Rubio +0.6%
Nevada: Clinton +1.3%

But yeah, VA would probably vote GOP before PA. Who knows.

VA would go GOP before PA. PA is like R-1 or -2 where as VA is R+0

[bobloblaw]

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton/Senator Tim Kaine: 309 EV. (51.27%)
Senator Marco Rubio/Governor Chris Christie: 229 EV. (47.85%)

Clinton isnt leading anyone in NC. NC was a fluke in 2008 like IN. The Dems arent winning it in 2016. Even if they win the WH. In fact I think liberals will be shocked at how easily the GOP wins NC next year.

[Higgs]

Definitely Clinton. Rubio would choke big time at the debates.

What makes you think he would? He's done great so far in the primary debates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19ZxJVnM5Gs

Clinton all the way!

So the fact that he choked while giving the historically poor response to the state of the union a few years ago outweighs his more recent debate performances? Ever hear of improvement?

[bobloblaw]

Clinton would win New Hampshire easily. Not sure about the other states, this could go either way. My guess:

Clinton/Kaine: 250 EV
Rubio/Kasich: 288 EV

This really could go either way.

My guess:

Close states:

Virginia: Clinton +0.01% (with the help of Terry McAuliffe )
Pennsylvania: Rubio +0.1%
Colorado: Rubio +0.4%
Ohio: Rubio +0.6%
Nevada: Clinton +1.3%

But yeah, VA would probably vote GOP before PA. Who knows.

The Dems will win in 2016, but Hillary will poll 1-2 points less than Obama did in 2012. This puts FL and likely OH in the GOP column but nothing else. Makes VA and CO probably within one point. CO could go GOP however as Hillary has polled poorly there for years. Much worse than Obama.

The problem the GOP faces in 2016 is GW Bush, like Jimmy Carter in 1988. You dont get past the stentch of that presidency in 8 years. Unemployment is lower in 2016 than in 2012 and GDP is growing into 2016.

Hillary will preside over a recession in 2018 most likely.
The Dems will suffer their third straight devastating mid term in 2018
Thanks to the Feds endless ZIRP, lower rates wont end the 2018 recession quickly, it will drag on.

This will cause a rupture on the left and a likely primary challenge to either Hillary or her VP if she doesnt run in 2020. There is no way the far left (which is close to the majority of the Dem party) will tolerate another Obama type presidency that only raises taxes on the .1% and stands idly by while inequality worsens. If the Dem party believes their own propaganda that they are unbeatable in presidential elections, then by 2020, they will likely drive the bus off the cliff in their arrogance.

[chrisras]

Rubio at the top

Kaisch as VP pick

Game, set, match Rubio.

[Crumpets]

Everyone is acting like Rubio will be in a position to take a bunch of moderate positions and pick Kasich as VP. If he wins the nomination, it will be because he beat out someone like Trump or Carson, and probably not by a huge margin, unless every "moderate" drops out early and Trump, Carson and Cruz slug it out for the conservatives. Rubio will be under a lot of pressure to get out those "missing whites" from 2012, and would never pick someone like Kasich for VP under those circumstances. I think he'll go more down the path of someone like Ernst to try to secure the right side of the party, and generally run in the Goldwater/Reagan mold, rather than Ike/Ford. This is why Romney picked Ryan over Pawlenty, and he only had to win over the hard-core Santorum and Gingrich supporters - people who probably vote Republican at every election anyways - and not the much more eclectic supporters of Carson and Trump.

[TarHeelDem]

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton/Senator Tim Kaine: 309 EV. (51.27%)
Senator Marco Rubio/Governor Chris Christie: 229 EV. (47.85%)

Clinton isnt leading anyone in NC. NC was a fluke in 2008 like IN. The Dems arent winning it in 2016. Even if they win the WH. In fact I think liberals will be shocked at how easily the GOP wins NC next year.

Lol. You can ignore trends all you want, I guess, it's just going to give you a rude awakening in the next several cycles. NC is purple and the GOP should accept that.

[Nyvin]

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton/Senator Tim Kaine: 309 EV. (51.27%)
Senator Marco Rubio/Governor Chris Christie: 229 EV. (47.85%)

Clinton isnt leading anyone in NC. NC was a fluke in 2008 like IN. The Dems arent winning it in 2016. Even if they win the WH. In fact I think liberals will be shocked at how easily the GOP wins NC next year.

NC is one of the fastest growing states in the country.    It's full of change.    No one can predict how it will vote in 2016.

[Thunderbird is the word]

Weapons manufacturers win.

[ScottieF]

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton/Senator Tim Kaine: 309 EV. (51.27%)
Senator Marco Rubio/Governor Chris Christie: 229 EV. (47.85%)

Clinton isnt leading anyone in NC. NC was a fluke in 2008 like IN. The Dems arent winning it in 2016. Even if they win the WH. In fact I think liberals will be shocked at how easily the GOP wins NC next year.

Lol. You can ignore trends all you want, I guess, it's just going to give you a rude awakening in the next several cycles. NC is purple and the GOP should accept that.

Yeah, if Pennsylvania is a swing state then North Carolina most certainly is as well.

[bobloblaw]

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton/Senator Tim Kaine: 309 EV. (51.27%)
Senator Marco Rubio/Governor Chris Christie: 229 EV. (47.85%)

Clinton isnt leading anyone in NC. NC was a fluke in 2008 like IN. The Dems arent winning it in 2016. Even if they win the WH. In fact I think liberals will be shocked at how easily the GOP wins NC next year.

NC is one of the fastest growing states in the country.    It's full of change.    No one can predict how it will vote in 2016.

I can, it will vote R+4 just like the last two elections.

[DemPGH]

Rubio is the latest bandwagon, I take it. Anyway, Hillary by a very convincing margin.

LOL Rubio winning PA over Hillary.

[Nyvin]

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton/Senator Tim Kaine: 309 EV. (51.27%)
Senator Marco Rubio/Governor Chris Christie: 229 EV. (47.85%)

Clinton isnt leading anyone in NC. NC was a fluke in 2008 like IN. The Dems arent winning it in 2016. Even if they win the WH. In fact I think liberals will be shocked at how easily the GOP wins NC next year.

NC is one of the fastest growing states in the country.    It's full of change.    No one can predict how it will vote in 2016.

I can, it will vote R+4 just like the last two elections.

It was R+3 in 2012.     Who's to say Hillary won't win nationally by 3%?     

Also states change,   especially fast growing states.

[muon2]

Clinton isnt leading anyone in NC. NC was a fluke in 2008 like IN. The Dems arent winning it in 2016. Even if they win the WH. In fact I think liberals will be shocked at how easily the GOP wins NC next year.

Lol. You can ignore trends all you want, I guess, it's just going to give you a rude awakening in the next several cycles. NC is purple and the GOP should accept that.

Yeah, if Pennsylvania is a swing state then North Carolina most certainly is as well.

They may be swing states, but they are not equally swing states. Based on Cook PVI scores PA is a highly competitive D+1 while NC is a greater reach the other way at R+3.

[Nyvin]

Clinton isnt leading anyone in NC. NC was a fluke in 2008 like IN. The Dems arent winning it in 2016. Even if they win the WH. In fact I think liberals will be shocked at how easily the GOP wins NC next year.

Lol. You can ignore trends all you want, I guess, it's just going to give you a rude awakening in the next several cycles. NC is purple and the GOP should accept that.

Yeah, if Pennsylvania is a swing state then North Carolina most certainly is as well.

They may be swing states, but they are not equally swing states. Based on Cook PVI scores PA is a highly competitive D+1 while NC is a greater reach the other way at R+3.

Uhh..yeah, and Romney won NC by 2%,  Obama won Pennsylvania by 5%....