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Question: How would you vote on the following measures? Description in OP
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Issue 1: Yes		  
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Issue 1: No		  
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Issue 2: Yes		  
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Issue 3: Yes		  
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« on: October 31, 2015, 09:37:18 PM »
« edited: November 01, 2015, 12:12:06 AM by ElectionsGuy »
Issue 1: Creates a bipartisan redistricting commission to draw state legislative districts. More details.
Issue 2: Prohibits initiatives that would create market monopolies.More details.
Issue 3: Legalizes recreational marijuana. More details.

1: Yes
2. Yes
3. No on principle, but if I lived in Ohio, I would vote yes just for legal marijuana.
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2015, 09:39:49 PM »
Yes on all three.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2015, 09:46:13 PM »
Yes/No/Yes

I'm sympathetic to 2, but it would almost certainly create a legal mess invalidating 3, which I consider more important at the moment.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2015, 11:51:41 PM »
Why no on three, EG?
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2015, 12:11:51 AM »

Market monopoly.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2015, 12:33:16 AM »
That is understandable, though I'd still vote yes.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2015, 12:38:08 AM »
Voting Yes on 2 would invalidate 3.
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2015, 01:27:17 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2015, 01:39:37 AM »
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No

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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2015, 03:48:34 AM »
N, N (would be Y if 3 weren't on the ballot), Y
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2015, 06:14:42 AM »
No, Yes, No
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2015, 06:53:31 AM »
Quote from: Marokai Backbeat on October 31, 2015, 09:46:13 PM
Yes/No/Yes

I'm sympathetic to 2, but it would almost certainly create a legal mess invalidating 3, which I consider more important at the moment.
Yep, that's how I read it too.  Y/N/Y for me
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2015, 07:46:53 AM »
I read the text of Issues 2 and 3. What happens if both 2 and 3 are approved, and then the feds move marijuana from schedule I to schedule II as has been requested both in petitions and by the American Medical Association? That would seem to make Issue 2 moot since it only applies to cartels for schedule I substances, so Issue 3 could go ahead as written.

On a second point, states have lots of regulations creating monopolies in areas like the siting of power plants, hospitals and waste stations. It's not unusual for cities or counties to have a fixed pool of licenses for liquor sales or taxis that create oligopolies. Why is creating a fixed set of medical marijuana cultivation centers different than creating a fixed set of hospital locations or liquor licenses?
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2015, 08:10:33 AM »
There are a lot of liquor licenses out there, not just a few. Hospitals are so tied to government subsidies, and monitoring their level of service, that there is some rationale to regulating their number rather tightly. I don't think the number of pot dispensaries in CA has proven to be a problem.
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2015, 08:22:12 AM »
The ballot controversy isn't about the dispensaries since there would be over 1000 permitted by the amendment. The feared cartel is for the cultivation centers. In IL the cultivation centers are limited in number, regulated and sited much like a waste transfer station would be sited. Waste stations have a maze of state and federal pollution regs to comply with. Given the federally restricted nature of marijuana, it didn't strike me as unusual or unwise for a state to regulate the cultivation centers, too.
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2015, 08:25:31 AM »
Cultivation is widely dispersed in CA as well, and again, so far as I am aware, it has not been an issue.
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2015, 09:14:35 AM »
Aren't 2 and 3 contradictory?
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2015, 11:43:53 AM »

They sure are.

I would vote Y/Y/N, if I could. Next year, though!
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2015, 12:01:07 PM »
Yes
Yes
NO!
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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2015, 12:07:34 PM »
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes

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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2015, 12:35:58 PM »
Quote from: Torie on November 01, 2015, 08:25:31 AM
Cultivation is widely dispersed in CA as well, and again, so far as I am aware, it has not been an issue.

I looked at the current state of CA law as passed and signed in Sept.

Large scale cultivators in CA (10k sq ft+) are limited in number as set by the CA Dept of Food and Ag. That looks like the IL law and the proposal in OH. It looks like those large scale cultivators in CA also are barred from other aspects of the process such as manufacturing and distribution.

The difference I see in CA compared to IL and the OH proposal is that CA has a class of license for small growers. But even in CA the small growers are very limited as to the number dispensaries they can serve. It looks highly structured and regulated in CA to me.
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2015, 01:20:57 PM »
1. No
2. Yes
3. No
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2015, 01:33:02 PM »

See how the endorsements of Issue 2 are almost entirely Republicans?

Yeah, there's a reason for that.
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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2015, 01:52:02 PM »
Yes on all three
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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2015, 07:31:56 PM »
Yes on all three. Don't like drugs, but it's your choice.
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