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« Reply #75 on: November 09, 2015, 03:17:57 AM »

More lies and deceit from the usual sources. Not surprising from the guy who has been in a nasty divorce from the truth for two years.



This clown really needs to shut his trap!!! The poor man digs his own grave further whenever he opens his mouth and spouts out more incoherent garbage.


The truth will not be silenced! Tongue
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« Reply #76 on: November 09, 2015, 03:28:01 AM »

The truth is trying to be heart, but your jibber jabber is getting in the way. I HOPE THE PEOPLE OF ATLASIA TAKE AWAY YOUR DENTURES SO THAT THE TRUTH CAN SING LOUD AND CLEAR!!!
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« Reply #77 on: November 09, 2015, 05:41:10 AM »

While I'm sure we all want to hear "the truth", I highly doubt any of it is going to manifest here. Cris ought to go ahead and lock this trainwreck and stop giving the trolls any more free air-time than they're going to get otherwise.
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« Reply #78 on: November 09, 2015, 11:35:26 AM »

While I'm sure we all want to hear "the truth", I highly doubt any of it is going to manifest here. Cris ought to go ahead and lock this trainwreck and stop giving the trolls any more free air-time than they're going to get otherwise.

So this is the first act of the new President, to silence debate and discussion.

Well, I can see this is going to be a disaster of a Presidency.
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« Reply #79 on: November 09, 2015, 12:10:25 PM »

Silence what? No one in the administration silenced anyone. The nominee withdrew on his own. There were no threats that I know of being levied behind the scenes. If either of us wanted to silence people, BK's nomination would've been withdrawn the moment Griffin sworn in.
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« Reply #80 on: November 09, 2015, 12:40:28 PM »

     Bacon King would have stood a chance if it had just been him fielding our questions. When you get the cadre of troublemakers feebly trying to shout down all questions posed to the nominee and verbally abusing Senators for doing their job, problems arise.
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« Reply #81 on: November 09, 2015, 01:19:04 PM »

While I'm sure we all want to hear "the truth", I highly doubt any of it is going to manifest here. Cris ought to go ahead and lock this trainwreck and stop giving the trolls any more free air-time than they're going to get otherwise.

So this is the first act of the new President, to silence debate and discussion.

Well, I can see this is going to be a disaster of a Presidency.

Hear hear. It appears that Winfield is one of the few people in this country with his head screwed on straight. The right has taken sides with our greatest enemy and the only opposition are a bunch of populist nihilistic trolls. We need consistent opposition to Griffin (Public Enemy Number Two, Public Enemy Number One of course being TNF), populism, dissolutionism, and hyperlegalism.

Where is Foucaulf's radio station when you need it?
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« Reply #82 on: November 09, 2015, 01:28:42 PM »

While I'm sure we all want to hear "the truth", I highly doubt any of it is going to manifest here. Cris ought to go ahead and lock this trainwreck and stop giving the trolls any more free air-time than they're going to get otherwise.

So this is the first act of the new President, to silence debate and discussion.

Well, I can see this is going to be a disaster of a Presidency.

Hear hear. It appears that Winfield is one of the few people in this country with his head screwed on straight. The right has taken sides with our greatest enemy and the only opposition are a bunch of populist nihilistic trolls. We need consistent opposition to Griffin (Public Enemy Number Two, Public Enemy Number One of course being TNF), populism, dissolutionism, and hyperlegalism.

Where is Foucaulf's radio station when you need it?

Foucaulf would be in with the trolls Simmy. Tongue
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« Reply #83 on: November 09, 2015, 01:30:51 PM »

Many good people have become trollish. Sadly, many other good people-- including much of the great TPP-- have given the backing the enemy. We need a strong right-wing reformist alternate to not only oppose the regime, but to resist it, after my undemocratic removal in a coup d'etat blatantly carried out by the regime before it even entered office.
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« Reply #84 on: November 09, 2015, 01:49:53 PM »

As expected, the real questions and explanations were ignored for more bloviating.

Griffin and I won the election handily and intend to work on behalf of The People to strengthen the game and give it a foundation for the future. Last I checked there was no socialism or handouts being given in the slightest.

I'm not sure why anyone would call for an overthrow of this administration unless they're just sore losers. The election results were legitimate.
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« Reply #85 on: November 09, 2015, 02:05:54 PM »

I have been asked to make a statement regarding this controversy and here's what I have to say after considering all the discussed factors.

First of all, I would like to state that there's no questions regarding Bacon King's expierence and professionalism, however, the possible connection to separatist movement is the key factor in this nomination or its recall.

As for the attempts to "remove idiot caucus" (which, by the way, makes 1/2 of the elected body) from Senate and impeach legitimate president Griffin, well, as Jalal Talabani once said "A military coup needs a sacrifice and courage that you can't find in an army without morale." The clique of elitist politicans that got no courage and no sacrifice is now trying to commit a crime against the people's will. I urge every Atlasian, despite of his or her political view, to stand as the united majority against the out-of-touch corrupt power usurpers.
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« Reply #86 on: November 09, 2015, 06:11:15 PM »

Well of course the bill expelling that group of senators is nonsense, even its author knows it, he's not dumb. You can't expel senators for questioning a Supreme Court nominee. No vote was even held so it can't even be claimed they voted BK down.
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« Reply #87 on: November 09, 2015, 07:20:58 PM »

     Bacon King would have stood a chance if it had just been him fielding our questions. When you get the cadre of troublemakers feebly trying to shout down all questions posed to the nominee and verbally abusing Senators for doing their job, problems arise.

So now you blame Atlasians for preventing you, members of the Senate, from properly carrying out your constitutional duties and responsibilities.

Are the members of this Senate really that paranoid?
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« Reply #88 on: November 10, 2015, 01:04:52 AM »

Many good people have become trollish. Sadly, many other good people-- including much of the great TPP-- have given the backing the enemy. We need a strong right-wing reformist alternate to not only oppose the regime, but to resist it, after my undemocratic removal in a coup d'etat blatantly carried out by the regime before it even entered office.

You hanged yourself Simfan. You were perfectly secure and all you had to do was open election booths on time and you would still be rulling the region with an iron fist. Instead, you choose to basically give your opponents a knife with which to thrust into you and basically handed your region over to the dissolutionists on a silver platter. You have no right to lecture me on consistent opposition to Labor, dissolutionists et al, anymore then your TPP friends had the right to claim I was socialist for opposing power monopolies.

Your hatred of Libertarians and their mutual hatred of you, handed a Senate seat back to Labor. That is your fault. I did everything I could to prevent Labor from holding that seat in March 2014, but you and Deus thwarted me. In February when I had just Lumine and August with Spiral, I managed to push both over the line and made sure in the latter that JCL's bid (Which I voted for), didn't inadvertently hand Labor a seat do to lack of second prefing. I was the only one consistently working to stop Labor, stop Griffin, and stop TNF for the last six months of 2013 and all of 2014. For this my reward was a stab in the back by hyprocrits inconsistent in their opposition, who had the audacity to claim I was too pro-Labor, many of which were/are your damn allies. Where the hell was your consistent opposition in 2014, Simfan?   

What you want is consistent opposition to anything and everything that is not 100% like you are, but you are probably the most unique snowflake in this game, which basically means you are asking for perpetual defeat and disappointment. Rather like a latter day RowanBrandon. Right now, the major divide is between those who want to reform the game and those who want to destroy it. Adam Griffin is a lot of things, but one thing I can guarrantee, he will save this game or die trying. So yes, I will work with Griffin on that front, just like I worked with Napoleon and Opebo to thwart the Rimjobbers and their allies in their quest to politicize the Supreme Court. You cannot win in this game by cornering yourself into your own little niche and nothing else.

Hear hear. It appears that Winfield is one of the few people in this country with his head screwed on straight. The right has taken sides with our greatest enemy and the only opposition are a bunch of populist nihilistic trolls. We need consistent opposition to Griffin (Public Enemy Number Two, Public Enemy Number One of course being TNF), populism, dissolutionism, and hyperlegalism.

You cite as public enemy number one a deregistered dissolutionist and number two a reformist President. This is why you have always ended up rendering yourself politically impotent and why you lost to Alfred Jones. TNF and Adam Griffin parted ways in June and Labor led the effort to recall him when he joined the dissolutionist cause. Your strategy here would very likely put a dissolutionist in the White House by way of destroying and undermining a reformist administration, and hyperlegalism is a IRC narrative started about 2013ish around trying to blame me for destroying the game. We just voted to do a legislative restart, legalism is a not concern for anyone but the trolls.
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« Reply #89 on: November 10, 2015, 10:34:29 AM »
« Edited: November 10, 2015, 10:57:19 AM by Simfan34 »

I handed a seat over to Labor by running in an election which I would have won had it not been stolen? Adam singlehandedly stole that election. I was your party's standard-bearer in that election-- unless you thought JCL would bring you to victory. I was right there alongside those who fought and sacrifice to bring DemPGH's disastrous tenure to an end. That's where I was.

It is not sufficient to support reform. It is necessary to oppose the Left, or, more specifically, the most malevolent forces of the radical Left. There are a few good people on the left (such as Bacon King), and we can and should work with left-of-centre moderates. But there are many bad ones, they shall always remain the enemy, regardless of their position on "reform", which is ultimately secondary. This is not a "special snowflake" viewpoint.
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« Reply #90 on: November 10, 2015, 10:52:25 AM »

I handed a seat over to Labor by running in an election which I would have won had it not been stolen? Adam singlehandedly stole that election. I was right there alongside those who fought and sacrifice to bring DemPGH's disastrous tenure to an end. That's where I was.

It is not sufficient to support reform. It is necessary to oppose the left, or, more specifically, the most malevolent forces of the left. There are a few good people on the left (such as Bacon King). But there are many bad ones, they shall always remain the enemy, regardless of their position on "reform". This is not a "special snowflake" viewpoint.

Yes and he got away with it, because so many of your voters didn't second preference Deus. If they had, he never would have been able to throw so many Laborites to Deus in order to knock you out of the final round, without risking Deus winning. That was my point, you let him utilize your anti-libertarianism to retain a seat for his party, a seat we would have won otherwise.

I find the most malevolent force in the game right now is those who are trying to destroy it. primary battle right now is saving this game. I voted for Cris, I did everything I could to turn people out for him, but he lost. Right now, with the situation as it is and that election over with, I would rather have a pro-reform a-hole then a nice radical dissolutionist. I like BK a lot, I probably like him more then Griffin, but I am not going to be blinded by last years battle to detriment of the present fight. 

Again, you really need to prioritize better, Simfan. Tongue 
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« Reply #91 on: November 10, 2015, 10:57:27 AM »
« Edited: April 22, 2019, 03:24:41 PM by Simfan34 »

Deus was an unreliable supporter of our agenda. When he got into office he did little to stop the expansion of TNFism but much to further their agenda of social degeneracy. Neither you nor I could have trusted him to do the right thing. His candidacy would have not gotten anywhere, anyway, if not for Labor's election rigging.

I fled before I could be removed in a putsch carried out by an unholy alliance of regime toadies backed by dissolutionists. We all know Adam had a secret accord to "forcibly remove me from office" (his words, not mine), after which the dissolutionists, with their zombie judge, would conduct what would have been a de facto lynch mob to strip me of my rights and imprison me. It's why I had to flee the country, and why I will not return until this regime is no longer in power.

None of this would have happened had your people not betrayed Cris. Spineless chitterlings pretending to be on the "right" betrayed Cris and gave us this terrible regime which now so imperils us all.

I do not see the world in black and white. The person who challenged me most as Governor was Bacon King. This is without dispute. But I wouldn't let the past blind me to the fact that BK is singlehandedly the most qualified person for this office.
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« Reply #92 on: November 10, 2015, 11:05:55 AM »
« Edited: November 10, 2015, 11:13:44 AM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

None of this would have happened had your people not betrayed Cris. Spineless chitterlings pretending to be on the "right" betrayed Cris and gave us this terrible regime which now so imperils us all.

My people?  You're insane! I voted for Cris and did GOTV for him. His own Party was less unified behind him then the Federalists. 95% of Federalists that voted, voted for Cris. We gave him a higher percentage than any other group, even outmatching his own 10 member Party by 25% damn percent.

ANUS: 100/0
CR: 29/71
D-R: 40/60
FED: 5/95
IND: 29/64
LAB: 100/0
NNP: 75/0
OTH: 64/14
TPP: 88/12

Some of those CR defectors were in your region:
SUPPORT BY REGION:

ME: 54/42
MW: 50/40
NE: 59/33
PA: 57/43
SO: 43/50

Lumine won 67% at the same time Griffin was winning 57% with the same voters. You tell me what happened, as the Conservative Governor of the Pacific. What kind of ship were you running?
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« Reply #93 on: November 10, 2015, 11:10:17 AM »

And you want to talk about defections from Cris. How about your homeboy Foucaulf voting for Bacon King over Cris, casting the deciding vote reducing the right down to three seats, after which Bacon King then proceeded to vote to overide Lumine's veto on TNF bills.

How did you vote in that election again? Did you even vote?
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« Reply #94 on: November 10, 2015, 11:18:33 AM »

Deus was an unreliable supporter of our agenda. When he got into office he did little to stop the expansion of TNFism but much to further their agenda of social degeneracy. Neither you nor I could have trusted him to do the right thing. His candidacy would have not gotten anywhere, anyway, if not for Labor's election rigging.

That is not the point. The point is, Griffin boosted him to the second round because enough of your people failed to second preference him therefore he realized Alfred could beat him and not you. He thus sent a string of Laborites to Deus to screw you over, just enough to put him in the final but one shy of beating Alfred. Had you maintained aa higher level of second preference unity tp the tune of just a handful of votes, you would have remained ahead of Deus and Griffin couldn't have taken that move unless he was deciding to elect Deus over you. Either way, Labor would have suffered a net loss of a Senate seat and you likely would have come out on top.
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« Reply #95 on: November 10, 2015, 11:26:26 AM »
« Edited: November 10, 2015, 11:28:24 AM by Simfan34 »

And you want to talk about defections from Cris. How about your homeboy Foucaulf voting for Bacon King over Cris, casting the deciding vote reducing the right down to three seats, after which Bacon King then proceeded to vote to overide Lumine's veto on TNF bills.

How did you vote in that election again? Did you even vote?

What election was this? December at-Large?

If we're talking elections let's talk about March Special. By allowing the perpetually unelectable JCL to run you divided the right, pushed out Foucaulf, and gave a seat to... Adam Griffin, since he faced JCL... who is, as I said, perpetually unelectable.
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« Reply #96 on: November 10, 2015, 11:29:33 AM »

     Bacon King would have stood a chance if it had just been him fielding our questions. When you get the cadre of troublemakers feebly trying to shout down all questions posed to the nominee and verbally abusing Senators for doing their job, problems arise.

So now you blame Atlasians for preventing you, members of the Senate, from properly carrying out your constitutional duties and responsibilities.

Are the members of this Senate really that paranoid?

     We carried out our duties and responsibilities just fine. Nowhere does it say that we have to rubber stamp a nominee because of qualifications (the idea that that alone is a sufficient condition to confirm a nominee is patently absurd), or that we can't engage in hardball questioning. If you want to point fingers, point it at those who refused to ask the nominee any questions.
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« Reply #97 on: November 10, 2015, 11:32:55 AM »
« Edited: November 10, 2015, 12:07:22 PM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

And you want to talk about defections from Cris. How about your homeboy Foucaulf voting for Bacon King over Cris, casting the deciding vote reducing the right down to three seats, after which Bacon King then proceeded to vote to overide Lumine's veto on TNF bills.

How did you vote in that election again? Did you even vote?

What election was this? December at-Large?

If we're talking elections let's talk about March Special. By allowing the perpetually unelectable JCL to run you divided the right, pushed out Foucaulf, and gave a seat to... Adam Griffin, since he faced JCL... who is, as I said, perpetually unelectable.

No, in November 2014 Lumine took office as President and his At-Large seat went to a special election. Bacon King beat Cris by 1 vote with Foucaulf and Riley the only Federalists to defect. Losing Lumine's seat reduced the right to just three Senate seats (Deus, JCL and myself) and the LAbor-TPP Senators voted together on overiding Lumine's vetos on bills like the one by TNF that reduced the work week to 32 hours.

Lets talk about March, another case study in pissing away a Senate seat with stupidity. Foucaulf had been attacking us for six months, launched a Supreme Court case to legalize abortion, and had reduced the right down to just three Senate seats, empowering TNF's socialism. Meanwhile TPP had handed the keys to the White House back to Labor (look how that turned out) and prioritized destroying us to destroying Griffin's machine. Consistent opposition? Right! And with the TPP's other Senators voting with Labor anyway, giving Labor an actual sixth seat made little difference to the balance of power in an 8-2 Liberal Senate. So we put on a display of unity behind one of our most controversial candidates to show we could pull that off still and began to plan for April and June.
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« Reply #98 on: November 10, 2015, 11:34:12 AM »

Last comment here:

Simfan is de-registered. The Senate needn't give him the time of day.
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« Reply #99 on: November 10, 2015, 12:46:35 PM »

I agree with Winfield. For the third time in six months, a member of this chamber has tried to carve out a group of non-something who the Senate can ignore. First it was non-members, now it is the deregistered.

I was elected to represent all the people of this nation and therefore I shall demand the preservation of the openness of this chamber and the ability of non-members to speak their piece.

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