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Oakvale
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« on: November 09, 2015, 12:40:44 PM »

TPP is a HORRIBLE deal for American workers. Remember Al Gore went up their and told you NAFTA would be fine in the debate with Ross Perot? Well LOOK how that turned out.

Seems like it turned out pretty well to me?

The idea that a bill written for global mulch-national corporations is any good for the workers is ridiculous. This along, with other free trade bills such as NAFTA hurt the backs of the working class both in Mexico and the US and only benefit the rich and the corporations. These bills also leads to a more globalized world, not for the workers or the people and communal friendship and peace but for the exploitation of the common man for the 'profit' of private business as well as the destruction of american industry and labour.

That's cool rhetoric but you have quite literally zero evidence for any of this.

God bless President Obama for taking a stand against the impervious-to-reality leftist Tea Party.
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2015, 12:48:25 PM »

This is a bunch of meaningless slogans strung together in no coherent order.

But heres the deal. The first thing is these trade agreements (NAFTA, CAFTA) etc have destroyed our manufacturing base. They've sent good jobs overseas to Mexico, China, etc we've gotten nothing back.

There's no sea separating Mexico and the US!



Your point is nonsense of course, but even if the US "manufacturing base" was destroyed, so what? Sure some people will hurt in the short term, but why weep over the decline of a politically well-connected industry when the net benefit for everyone else is greater? As an economist would tell you, trade is a Kaldor-Hicks improvement, not a Pareto one.

Look at the countries included in the deal such as Malaysia, they lierally have slave labor yet were supposed to have the same economy and same production? Thats why I strongly disagree with the notion that we have to have a internationalized and globalized economy and government.

I don't know what this means. The entire reason trade makes sense is precisely because you don't have the "same economy and same production".

Also the TPP environmental regulations result in us doing business with countries that have literally no environmental protection. Thats not a fair deal at all, and all this just for a few corporate elites to make profit at the expense of the American people. If we do trade deals it should be nation by nation, not several countries at once. The WTO is also terrible as it pushes us into not a one world economy ruled by special interests, and has done nothing for America as we have no tariffs yet China, etc have massive ones. The future of these agreements is also global government, which is even admitted.

Look at how the European union was started through a trade deal. The EU has been horrible and these trade deals will eventually lead to that conclusion (actually they already are look at the merger of our economy and mexicos and the border being wide open!) were our soverigntry is shreded.


lol lay off the Alex Jones.

The future of America is were it always has been and thats in manufacturing, entrepreneurship, innovation, and industry. To sell out our workers for the hope of a better future is ridiculous, not to mention the fact that most of the TPP is private and involves corporate "tribunals". What this deal is, the TPP is like all other recent "free trade" deals a big F you to the American people.

One would imagine the future of America is indeed in innovation and industry, which is why trade agreements are a good thing. "Most of TPP is private"? What does this mean? And, as has been mentioned time and time again, the "corporate tribunals" [sic] are a part of almost every free trade agreement and are a perfectly good idea.

Please attempt to elaborate on these points because most of them are unclear.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2015, 09:49:04 AM »

Yeah "trade" agreements do none of that. Please post the full agreement of TPP, oh wait you can't because its SECRET. If its so amazing why not release the full details. Its a joke.

ok

https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2015, 10:09:18 AM »


tfw you can't "like" this post
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2015, 05:14:13 PM »

Your response of a Newsweek article written by a guy employed by the EPI (the left-wing version of the Heritage Foundation) doesn't exactly strike me as compelling bud.

I'm just going to respond in bullet points because zzzz

- US unemployment is at 5% which doesn't seem particularly high. Not going to respond to your halfwit drivel about the Jew World Order

- China isn't involved with the TPP so uh? Literally half the point of the thing is to curtail China's influence

- blah blah muh corporations. Read up on ISDS arbitration for god's sake.

- I don't care what most Americans think. The average voter wants to hang traffic wardens, put immigrants in death camps and fund the healthcare system solely by taxing Bill Gates. It's also quite literally wrong, not that you care, in the face of all the available empirical evidence to suggest that trade doesn't help third world countries. Even the most pedantic critic of US free trade agreements will concede that the social welfare benefits are huge for 'third world' countries.

Why do you hate poor people?

- Again, read up on the actual text of TPP since it's right there or if that's too taxing (it is legalese after all) read one of the dozens of summaries, preferably not on Free Republic or Daily Kos

- blah blah muh corporations
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