Paris Attacks

[Clyde1998]

And... now there's a train crash.

Source?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34822666

Appears completely unrelated to last night's terror, at least at this time.

The article suggests so - saying that it was a test run on the new Paris-Strasbourg line.

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[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

And... now there's a train crash.

Source?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34822666

Appears completely unrelated to last night's terror, at least at this time.

The article suggests so - saying that it was a test run on the new Paris-Strasbourg line.

What were so many people doing aboard a test run?

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

And... now there's a train crash.

Source?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34822666

Appears completely unrelated to last night's terror, at least at this time.

The article suggests so - saying that it was a test run on the new Paris-Strasbourg line.

What were so many people doing aboard a test run?

I heard 49 technicians, 10 dead people on public radio, I don't know if that's 'that many' for a test, but yeah, according to all flash news that happened since that, nothing points out toward anything criminal.

You never know though, one of the 1st terror attack in France was against the Paris-Toulouse train.

And well, about the WW2 and Americans story, I don't really see the point, Nazis didn't wish Americans to come, did they??

America jumped in that war for relatively sane reasons and with clear and apparently reachable objectives (gosh please noooooooooo, let's not troll around with that it's you who said there were multiple situations, so don't mix up some that haven't much in common).

I don't see anything of that here, I don't see what is in common.

On the other hand, maybe the IS would looove to see Western/Christian (Russia is in all the way now) countries playing still more the 'nasty imperialist role' so that they can show as the natural protectors of the worldwide Muslim community.

Just like Ben Laden certainly found a great enjoyment to see the US quagmire themselves in Afghanistan for years and it isn't even finished.

And anyhow I said I wasn't against a military intervention by principle, just for something that would make sense, and not the excited over-reaction just in order to react.



Oh and, nice to see that people listen themselves first, lots of gatherings in several French cities, and even in Paris, on the Place de la République, that big square that was the hot spot of the last big march in January.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Ah, and pretty bad news, the passport found back close to a terrorist guy died close to Stade de France, would belong to a migrant Syrian guy that had registered in Greece.

Hopefully everyone will stay sane and classy about that...

One of the other dead guy was a French, about 30 (always my bloody generation at work...), known from police services, watched for extremist Islamism since 2010.

And well, apparently a lot has to do with a cell from the Belgian city of Molenbeek, in Bruxelles suburb. 2 cars that apparently could have been involved had Belgian plates.

But informations, even from Belgian police sources and RTBF (Radio Television Belge Francophone) are quite messy so far.

Something sure, several searches been done in Molenbeek, 3 people arrested, apparently 3 other ones searched, including an other Belgian car. In both cases could be both french and Belgians.

[Blue3]

Anyways, the leader of Hezbollah has condemned the attacks and all jihadi groups, and says he stands with France:




http://news.yahoo.com/hezbollah-chief-lebanon-denounces-paris-attacks-184742949.html

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[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

'lol', 'cool'.

His friend which might have one of the most famous first name in the world now, Bashar, condemned France though, and said that France brought it on itself its through its Middle-East policies.

Oh, and not totally irrelevant either, which brings me to the other interesting statement of the day, our cute national blondie, you know who I mean, the Frank queen, said kinda the same thing, but in a more detailed way, criticizing France's new allies in Middle-East (KSA and Qatar), since those countries would play double game with terrorists and with Western countries, which isn't as simple as that, but which wouldn't be totally irrelevant either.

And hitting on those countries always is quite popular in France, so one more time, she handles it in a rather smart way, it's annoying.

Some vicious circles are some 'virtuous circles' for some other people...

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

The peace and love Eiffel tower is the itélé logo for this. ^^

[Sozialliberal]

2015 has been a very tragic year for France. First the Charlie Hebdo shooting and now this. I feel sorry for the victims' families and friends.

[Comrade Funk]

Anyways, the leader of Hezbollah has condemned the attacks and all jihadi groups, and says he stands with France:

Yeah, and if these were Shia radicals they'd be praising the attack.

The Iranian-Saudi Cold War is destroying the Middle East, and bringing the fight to Europe

[Blue3]

Anyways, the leader of Hezbollah has condemned the attacks and all jihadi groups, and says he stands with France:

Yeah, and if these were Shia radicals they'd be praising the attack.

The Iranian-Saudi Cold War is destroying the Middle East, and bringing the fight to Europe

Have Shia radicals, or Iran or Hezbollah, ever attacked the West?

[All Along The Watchtower]

Anyways, the leader of Hezbollah has condemned the attacks and all jihadi groups, and says he stands with France:

Yeah, and if these were Shia radicals they'd be praising the attack.

The Iranian-Saudi Cold War is destroying the Middle East, and bringing the fight to Europe

Have Shia radicals, or Iran or Hezbollah, ever attacked the West?

not sure if serious

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Anyways, the leader of Hezbollah has condemned the attacks and all jihadi groups, and says he stands with France:

Yeah, and if these were Shia radicals they'd be praising the attack.

The Iranian-Saudi Cold War is destroying the Middle East, and bringing the fight to Europe

Have Shia radicals, or Iran or Hezbollah, ever attacked the West?

Yup, was 1st Islamist terrors attack on our soil and the 1st Islamist terror attacks on the soil of a Western country too. 1986, Tati shop, Paris.

And when it comes to your country you might have heard something about something in 1983 in Lebanon (didn't you?) was big enough, and the other country to be touched in the same time in Lebanon, was, again, France. 'Le Drakkar'.

And the attacks on our soil were due to our brilliant nuclear policies then, we were dealing on nuclear with the Shah, they gave llot of money for this, the Hayatollah replaced the Shah, we refused to continue the nuclear deal with them. They called money back, seems we had an hard time giving it back, there it went...boom....boom.

Guys in Middle-East are pretty good at destroying themselves yeah, and that...cold??...Sunni/KSA-Shiah/Iran seems to kinda have a big enough potentiality yeah, but, there would always be some Westernerrs messing arround to put a 'little bit' of salt...

[Crumpets]

Does anyone else have SJW friends saying that we shouldn't talk about Paris unless we also talk about Beirut and the attack in Kenya in April? It's basically all that's in my news feed right now.

Also, apparently there's a raid going on at the Pullman Hotel just a few blocks from the Eiffel Tower and the Champ de Mars. No idea if it's related, but it seems unlikely that it's just a coincidence.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Does anyone else have SJW friends saying that we shouldn't talk about Paris unless we also talk about Beirut and the attack in Kenya in April? It's basically all that's in my news feed right now.

Yes, of course.

Stuff like that is one of the reasons people in general can't stand SJW.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Does anyone else have SJW friends saying that we shouldn't talk about Paris unless we also talk about Beirut and the attack in Kenya in April? It's basically all that's in my news feed right now.

Also, apparently there's a raid going on at the Pullman Hotel just a few blocks from the Eiffel Tower and the Champ de Mars. No idea if it's related, but it seems unlikely that it's just a coincidence.

The Pullman stuff was only a bomb alert, been inspected by police, all safe.

And well, last news, the father and the bro of the 30 years old French attacker of the Bataclan have been arrested.

Oh, and, also, Manuels Valls on TF1 tonight:

'We're at WAR, and we gonna strike them as strong as they stroke us'

...

And all military experts spouting out the same kind of things, but concretely...?

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Pah, Pah, Pah...

Marine Le Pen proposition:

'We should remove French nationality to all radical imams in the country'

Laurent Wauquiez, 'n°2' of Les Rapeblicains, proposition:

"We should internate all the people monitored for radical Islamism'

Manuel Valls answer to all those proposition:

'I shut the door to nothing as long as it's allowed by French law'

...

And so it begins...

[Simfan34]

Wauquiez : le prime ministre prochain ?

[Zanas]

I'm safe by the way, if anyone cares. Not quite sound I'd say, but safe.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Some thoughts:

1) 9/11 happened 14 years ago. Since then, wars have been waged in/against Afghanistan and Iraq under the rationale of fighting terrorism. In Syria (and Iraq), a Western military intervention has been conducted against the Islamic State for the past one and a half years now. Harsh anti-terrorism laws have been passed in various countries in the wake of 9/11 as well as the 2004 Madrid and 2005 London attacks. The NSA has supposedly put global telephone and Internet communications under constant surveillance. The US has significantly increased targetted killings via drone strikes in recent years. So, why does something like Paris happen? Isn't it past time to reach the conclusion that our governments have failed in proctecting us? Aren't we doing enough or are we simply doing it wrong?

2) On November 13, terrorist attacks carried out by the IS kill 130 people in Paris. The act is immediately condemned by the US president among various other world leaders. Here in this forum a thread is opened on the attacks which by now has reached 10 pages. A day prior - on Nov. 12 - terrorist attacks carried out by the IS killed more than 40 people in Beirut. In the US, this attack was condemned by National Security Council spokesman Ned Price. No thread on the Beirut attacks was opened on this forum. Is this perhaps one of the things we're doing wrong?

[Famous Mortimer]

People seem more upset about the fact that the news isn't covering Lebanon than they do about the fact that ISIS killed 40 people in Lebanon.

Part of the reason the news isn't an endless stream of ISIS attacks, which it easily could be, is because the media doesn't want to appear "Islamophobic".

Guaranteed, the same people complaining now about lack of coverage would be screaming "Islamophobic" and "warmongering" if the media actually did cover Lebanon and all the other ISIS atrocities daily.

As of right now, the media only covers ISIS when it's forced to, like in France.

[Mr. Morden]

Some thoughts:

1) 9/11 happened 14 years ago. Since then, wars have been waged in/against Afghanistan and Iraq under the rationale of fighting terrorism. In Syria (and Iraq), a Western military intervention has been conducted against the Islamic State for the past one and a half years now. Harsh anti-terrorism laws have been passed in various countries in the wake of 9/11 as well as the 2004 Madrid and 2005 London attacks. The NSA has supposedly put global telephone and Internet communications under constant surveillance. The US has significantly increased targetted killings via drone strikes in recent years. So, why does something like Paris happen? Isn't it past time to reach the conclusion that our governments have failed in proctecting us? Aren't we doing enough or are we simply doing it wrong?

I don’t think so.

2001: 9/11 attack, ~3000 killed
2002: Bali bombing, ~200 killed
2004: Madrid train bombing, ~200 killed

If someone had told me after the Madrid bombing that the next terrorist attack aimed against Western civilians to produce more than 100 fatalities would not happen until 2015, I’d consider that an impressive record.  That’s not to diminish the loss of people who died in smaller attacks, nor the people who died in terrorist attacks in Nigeria, Russia, India, Pakistan, Iraq, etc., but if you’re just talking about the narrow goal of “keeping people safe” from terrorism in North America, Western Europe, and Australia, then one could easily make the case that those respective governments have a better record over the past decade than almost everyone would have predicted from the vantage point of the early 2000s.

You could certainly tell a story in which, leading up to 9/11, terrorist attacks were getting smarter and more sophisticated, and then, following the invasion of Afghanistan, the killing and capture of so many al Qaeda leaders, etc., terrorist attacks started getting dumber and less sophisticated.  Maybe we’re now seeing that reverse again with Islamic State on the ascendancy, but it’s still early days.

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[Tender Branson]

Just in:

The fingerprint on the Syrian passport and the fingerprint from one of the blown-off terrorist fingers found at the football stadium are identical according to the French and Greek police.

This means that the terrorist (or "refugee") in fact came in via Turkey, then officially registered as an asylum seeker in Greece by getting a new Syrian emergency passport, then travelled on to Serbia, then further north through Austria (the Serb authorities confirmed this), then Germany and into France (or Belgium).

[Blair]

People seem more upset about the fact that the news isn't covering Lebanon than they do about the fact that ISIS killed 40 people in Lebanon.

This 100 times

[afleitch]

Some thoughts:

1) 9/11 happened 14 years ago. Since then, wars have been waged in/against Afghanistan and Iraq under the rationale of fighting terrorism. In Syria (and Iraq), a Western military intervention has been conducted against the Islamic State for the past one and a half years now. Harsh anti-terrorism laws have been passed in various countries in the wake of 9/11 as well as the 2004 Madrid and 2005 London attacks. The NSA has supposedly put global telephone and Internet communications under constant surveillance. The US has significantly increased targetted killings via drone strikes in recent years. So, why does something like Paris happen? Isn't it past time to reach the conclusion that our governments have failed in proctecting us? Aren't we doing enough or are we simply doing it wrong?

2) On November 13, terrorist attacks carried out by the IS kill 130 people in Paris. The act is immediately condemned by the US president among various other world leaders. Here in this forum a thread is opened on the attacks which by now has reached 10 pages. A day prior - on Nov. 12 - terrorist attacks carried out by the IS killed more than 40 people in Beirut. In the US, this attack was condemned by National Security Council spokesman Ned Price. No thread on the Beirut attacks was opened on this forum. Is this perhaps one of the things we're doing wrong?

No. Until Paris no one cared or knew about the attacks the day before. Even the people that now claim to care about them and are rabbiting on about double standards. Ignorance can be excused. Pretending not to be in order to make a sh**tty point can't be excused.