Liberalism lies in a pool of blood in Paris

[mencken]

How is nonintervention discredited? I doubt Europe would be in the precarious position it is in today if Western governments had not sought to spread the gospel of democracy to autocratic regimes for the last two decades.

Well France wasnt involved in the Iraq war and cant really be blamed for creating ISIS, though they did play a role in Libya.

So American intervention has negative externalities for French citizens. Therefore, intervention is good?

Also, France was the first country to call for Gaddafi's ouster. Absent that, I doubt any of the other countries would have pursued action, and the rebels in Syria might have been more amenable to a peace deal if they were not holding out for Western intervention of similar proportion.

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A cordon sanitaire seems ideal here.

[DrScholl]

What do you suppose the solution should be? Lock Muslims in interment camps?

Europe will not be a democracy much longer. It will be either Islamic or some sort of nationalist dictatorship

No more immigration....period.
End abortion...we cannot replace aborted western babies with immigrants from nonwestern societies.
Make Islam a pariah religion. Shun and exclude them from all aspect of society.

Liberals will eventually give us a very illiberal society.

That insanity will never happen in the real world.

[bobloblaw]

""It actually says a lot about you that you think fascist pledges and guns are what keeps the peace.  No my friend it is acceptance, education, and jobs that has mollified our Muslims""


Youre a completely delusional fool.

Our muslims??? Like the Tsarnevs??? Like The Times Square Bomber?

[KingSweden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiQuCdv3A98

Swayed me a bit about the gun thing.

I wished people had fight harder in term of cultural war.  When people become naturalized citizens (in the USA), you have swear multiple oaths.  So how is it can be tolerate that surveys after surveys, a significant of European Muslims have views that would be constituted as traitorous to the country that they currently reside in.

Maybe because it is a different country with a different culture?  A Parisian would ask an American why we are so uptight and our president doesn't hop on a scooter with no secret service and zip off to visit his mistress.



Muslims in America are more educated and make more money than the average US citizen.  They aren't generally pissed off because life is pretty good for them other than the rise of xenophobes in this country.

It actually says a lot about you that you think fascist pledges and guns are what keeps the peace.  No my friend it is acceptance, education, and jobs that has mollified our Muslims.

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/religion/man-behind-mosque/america-and-muslims-by-the-numbers/

This is an oft-missed point, and I'm glad you brought it up. The conditions that the Muslim population in the United States live under are night and day compared to their European counterparts. Poor, bored and bitter people are considerably more susceptible to IS's poison. At the risk of wandering into some racially uncomfortable territory, it's exactly what attracts many young men of color in American ghettos into joining violent street gangs and poor rural whites who wind up in prison joining white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups.

[bobloblaw]

What do you suppose the solution should be? Lock Muslims in interment camps?

Europe will not be a democracy much longer. It will be either Islamic or some sort of nationalist dictatorship

No more immigration....period.
End abortion...we cannot replace aborted western babies with immigrants from nonwestern societies.
Make Islam a pariah religion. Shun and exclude them from all aspect of society.

Liberals will eventually give us a very illiberal society.

That insanity will never happen in the real world.

it will happen

[weixiaobao]

...

What I hate about my fellow liberals are the cherry picking of statistics.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

1 in 5, 1 in 4, are they not a significant #s???  Sympathize with bombers?  Is that not treasonous?

 16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified.  1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html

ederation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

[bobloblaw]

it is clear the real enemy is liberalism. Islam terror is the opportunistic infection.

[DrScholl]

What do you suppose the solution should be? Lock Muslims in interment camps?

Europe will not be a democracy much longer. It will be either Islamic or some sort of nationalist dictatorship

No more immigration....period.
End abortion...we cannot replace aborted western babies with immigrants from nonwestern societies.
Make Islam a pariah religion. Shun and exclude them from all aspect of society.

Liberals will eventually give us a very illiberal society.

That insanity will never happen in the real world.

it will happen

In your mind perhaps, but not in reality. Go away.

[Asian Nazi]

In a general context, he has a very true point.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gotta love the "moderate" Republicans tacitly supporting bigoted wingnut bullsh*t, even on this site.

150 murdered by muslims and I am the nut. Your values are all screwed up. That is why what happened last night happened. Western liberalism and the religion of multi culturalism. It is clear that the real disease is the western left. Islam is just the opportunistic infection.

People like you are a bigger threat to us than radical Islam will ever be.

[bobloblaw]

...

What I hate about my fellow liberals are the cherry picking of statistics.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

1 in 5, 1 in 4, are they not a significant #s???  Sympathize with bombers?  Is that not treasonous?

 16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified.  1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html

ederation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

Correct. Liberals think American Muslims are flag waving red blooded Americans. When in fact many prefer Sharia, have engaged in honor killings right here in the US and have active ties to terrorism

[bobloblaw]

In a general context, he has a very true point.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gotta love the "moderate" Republicans tacitly supporting bigoted wingnut bullsh*t, even on this site.

150 murdered by muslims and I am the nut. Your values are all screwed up. That is why what happened last night happened. Western liberalism and the religion of multi culturalism. It is clear that the real disease is the western left. Islam is just the opportunistic infection.

People like you are a bigger threat to us than radical Islam will ever be.

and that is why 150 people wee killed last night and 200 injured. Your values and view of the world is completely backwards.

[EliteLX]

In a general context, he has a very true point.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gotta love the "moderate" Republicans tacitly supporting bigoted wingnut bullsh*t, even on this site.

Holy hell give me a break. I am a moderate Republican but I'm also logical.

He has a point. In the blood of Paris lies the emotionally-backed argument of open borders and embracing of "multiculteralism" which is simply a highjacked word for blindly opening up to historically fundamentalist radical murderers to pour into the EU, as well as bigger government oversee over legally stable citizens to be able to defend themselves and others from attacks like this. America doesn't have a right to topple regimes willy nilly and run the world, that's what creates many of these power vacuums, but don't even begin to go off track and take the weight off fundamentalist sects of Islam.

It's so funny seeing liberals bitch and cry about protestant US Christianity for not selling a cake but when it comes to groups of fundamentalist sects of arguably one of the most violence-inducing mainline religions then liberals bumble over excuses of "it's the PERSON!" and embracing border flow and "multiculturalism". What an absolute sham. Your feelings don't supersede truth.

[bobloblaw]

In a general context, he has a very true point.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gotta love the "moderate" Republicans tacitly supporting bigoted wingnut bullsh*t, even on this site.

Holy hell give me a break. I am a moderate Republican but I'm also logical.

He has a point. In the blood of Paris lies the emotionally-backed argument of open borders and embracing of "multiculteralism" which is simply a highjacked word for blindly opening up to historically fundamentalist radical murderers to pour into the EU, as well bigger government oversee over legally stable citizens to be able to defend themselves and others from attacks like this.

It's so funny seeing Liberals bitch and cry about protestant US Christianity for not selling a cake but when it comes to groups of fundamentalist sects of arguabley one of the most violence-inducing mainline religions then liberals bumble over excuses of "it's the PERSON!!" and embracing border flow and "multiculturalism". Get out of here.

I have always believed that Liberals hated religious christian evangelicals more than they hate ISIS or Al Qaeda. After all Al Qaeda and ISIS arent trying to repeal Obamacare.

[Taco Truck 🚚]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiQuCdv3A98

Swayed me a bit about the gun thing.

I wished people had fight harder in term of cultural war.  When people become naturalized citizens (in the USA), you have swear multiple oaths.  So how is it can be tolerate that surveys after surveys, a significant of European Muslims have views that would be constituted as traitorous to the country that they currently reside in.

Maybe because it is a different country with a different culture?  A Parisian would ask an American why we are so uptight and our president doesn't hop on a scooter with no secret service and zip off to visit his mistress.



Muslims in America are more educated and make more money than the average US citizen.  They aren't generally pissed off because life is pretty good for them other than the rise of xenophobes in this country.

It actually says a lot about you that you think fascist pledges and guns are what keeps the peace.  No my friend it is acceptance, education, and jobs that has mollified our Muslims.

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/religion/man-behind-mosque/america-and-muslims-by-the-numbers/

What I hate about my fellow liberals are the cherry picking of statistics.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

1 in 5, 1 in 4, are they not a significant #s???  Sympathize with bombers?  Is that not treasonous?

 16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified.  1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html

ederation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

How does that in any way contradict what I wrote or Gallup's statistics?  You are agreeing with me.  People who live crappy lives do crappy things.  People who live good comfortable lives do good things.  That has nothing to do with muh guns and fascist pledges nor religion for that matter nor race.

[DrScholl]

This sort of crap is what lead to the final solution and the Holocaust. This thread is sick, sick, sick.

[bobloblaw]

Actually the 9-11 hijackers lived pretty good lives.

[Gass3268]

Best tweet from last night:

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it is now confirmed that at least one of them come in with the refugees. What the idiot who wrote that moronic tweet doesnt get is that ISIS sent their soldiers to infiltrate the refugees.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it's the fault 99.999999999% of the refugees fleeing for their lives from ISIS.

Also Right-Wing Extreamists ARE more dangerous an Islamic Jihadists

[bobloblaw]

This sort of crap is what lead to the final solution and the Holocaust. This thread is sick, sick, sick.

Yes of course blame those who love freedom and ignore those who really want another final solution. You liberals are the ones who have created this mess. You are at heart deeply self loathing. You have lost even those most basic instinct of survival.

[EliteLX]

This sort of crap is what lead to the final solution and the Holocaust. This thread is sick, sick, sick.

Nobody is calling for a final solution of Muslims. Stop overplaying a much smaller issue.

Fundamentalist Muslims sects in the Middle East ARE the problem. The Middle East is a breading ground of poverty & uneducated theology supporting slaughtering you and me for their God.

[bobloblaw]

Best tweet from last night:

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it is now confirmed that at least one of them come in with the refugees. What the idiot who wrote that moronic tweet doesnt get is that ISIS sent their soldiers to infiltrate the refugees.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it's the fault 99.999999999% of the refugees fleeing for their lives from ISIS.

Also Right-Wing Extreamists ARE more dangerous an Islamic Jihadists

How do you propose screening for ISIS members or sympathizers?

[bobloblaw]

This sort of crap is what lead to the final solution and the Holocaust. This thread is sick, sick, sick.

Nobody is calling for a final solution of Muslims. Stop overplaying a much smaller issue.

Fundamentalist Muslims sects in the Middle East ARE the problem. The Middle East is a breading ground of poverty & uneducated theology supporting slaughtering you and me for their God.

Actually the muslims here are worse then the ones there.

[EliteLX]

This sort of crap is what lead to the final solution and the Holocaust. This thread is sick, sick, sick.

Nobody is calling for a final solution of Muslims. Stop overplaying a much smaller issue.

Fundamentalist Muslims sects in the Middle East ARE the problem. The Middle East is a breading ground of poverty & uneducated theology supporting slaughtering you and me for their God.

Actually the muslims here are worse then the ones there.

Regardless of where they live..

[Taco Truck 🚚]

Actually the 9-11 hijackers lived pretty good lives.

Even if that were true, which because you posted it sane people will assume it's not, only a complete idiot draws their trend line through the outlier data points.

[bobloblaw]

Actually the 9-11 hijackers lived pretty good lives.

Even if that were true, which because you posted it sane people will assume it's not, only a complete idiot draws their trend line through the outlier data points.

Poverty and lack of opportunity dont cause terrorism. If they did, Haiti would be the world's #1 source of terrorists and radicals. What causes this is religion and one specific religion in particular.

[DrScholl]

This sort of crap is what lead to the final solution and the Holocaust. This thread is sick, sick, sick.

Nobody is calling for a final solution of Muslims. Stop overplaying a much smaller issue.

Fundamentalist Muslims sects in the Middle East ARE the problem. The Middle East is a breading ground of poverty & uneducated theology supporting slaughtering you and me for their God.

This sort of crap is what lead to the final solution and the Holocaust. This thread is sick, sick, sick.

Yes of course blame those who love freedom and ignore those who really want another final solution. You liberals are the ones who have created this mess. You are at heart deeply self loathing. You have lost even those most basic instinct of survival.

Freedom, freedoms, liberals are evil. Your act is old and preachy, we've heard it before. Blaming an entire group of people for all the world's problems is exactly how genocide starts.