If BLM jumps the shark and earns universal disgust, will it ruin Hillary?

[Lyin' Steve]

I can't believe the absurd views in this thread.

MLK stood up for love, peace, tolerance, and non-violence.  He understood that if he and his supporters made white people hate them, they had already lost, and that the only way to win was to draw in enough allies and supporters that the movement would reach critical mass and force social change.

BLM stands up for hatred, aggressive behavior, intolerance, and violence.  Its members go out of their way to make white, asian, hispanic, and all non-black people hate them, which is why they have already lost, because with every immature, absurd, hateful incident they turn more and more people permanently against them.  Their movement will never be able to draw in allies and supporters beyond the weak college students and politicians (Hillary) that they bully into submission with their tactics of shame, hyperbole and fabricated persecution.

I guess it's really too bad because it seems like otherwise their goal of putting laws in place to prevent police from shooting the violent black criminals who destroy poor black neighborhoods would have had a lot of support from the well-meaning moderates in this thread and around the country.

As for how it would hurt Hillary, she's allowed them to bully her into changing her agenda, saying whatever they tell her to say, and promoting their movement on social media.  All the GOP has to do is put out commercials juxtaposing her support of the movement with images of the violent, hateful, racist protests that it actually entails, and end it with a slow-motion image of a police car burning in Baltimore while Hillary screams "every american should support Black Lives Matter!"

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

I can't believe the absurd views in this thread.

i know right? atlas really is becoming a racist cessp-

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[Figueira]

It is a sad reflection on our society that "Black lives matter" is a remotely controversial statement.

[RI]

This kind of thing certainly doesn't help. The more real terrorism makes headlines, the more petty and insignificant BLM seems. I'm waiting for the day a GOP candidate truly hammers these people.

[Penelope]

It is a sad reflection on our society that "Black lives matter" is a remotely controversial statement.

[Asian Nazi]

It is a sad reflection on our society that "Black lives matter" is a remotely controversial statement.

[Asian Nazi]

Also as someone who has actually been involved with BLM and has many friends in the movement, it's pretty funny (in a depressing way) to see the misconceptions being thrown about in this thread. 

[ShamDam]

It is a sad reflection on our society that "Black lives matter" is a remotely controversial statement.

The near-universal condemnation of this group on this thread is pretty disturbing.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

This kind of thing certainly doesn't help. The more real terrorism makes headlines, the more petty and insignificant BLM seems. I'm waiting for the day a GOP candidate truly hammers these people.

of course it's not surprising that if you take the fukken daily caller at face value you're gonna end up with a negative view of #blacklivesmatter. here's some facts the right-wing outrage machine left out:

1. actual spokespeople of the #blacklivesmatter movement were supportive of the victims of the paris attacks
2. the connection between #blacklivesmatter and #fʊckparis is extremely tenuous, at best.

[RI]

This kind of thing certainly doesn't help. The more real terrorism makes headlines, the more petty and insignificant BLM seems. I'm waiting for the day a GOP candidate truly hammers these people.

of course it's not surprising that if you take the fukken daily caller at face value you're gonna end up with a negative view of #blacklivesmatter. here's some facts the right-wing outrage machine left out:

1. actual spokespeople of the #blacklivesmatter movement were supportive of the victims of the paris attacks
2. the connection between #blacklivesmatter and #fʊckparis is extremely tenuous, at best.

I'm fully aware of their bias, but there are plenty of people who aren't and this kind of thing still affects public sentiment. It's bad PR no matter what.

[zs4321]

It is a sad reflection on our society that "Black lives matter" is a remotely controversial statement.

even more sad is when you get booed for saying all lives matter

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Police brutality and the war on drugs are both important issues. You can draw attention to them and draw attention to the fact that they disproportionately impact Black people without getting angry and shouting people down any time they try to point out that they do in fact impact other people as well, though maybe not as much.

Screaming at other well meaning liberals is one problem of the BLM movement.

The other is that they are too enamored with BS privilege checking politics. They have real, legitimate issues but they deluded when the same people complain about BS like "white people are so racist because whenever I go to work with a giant wig glued to my head, they sometimes ask if they can touch it."

Well said. There is a difference between calling attention to one's policy goals and denigrating anyone who thinks that they have gone too far with their rhetoric. I agree that the war on drugs is bad and that it disproportionately affects blacks. There's also a disturbing number of black people dying during police interactions. I agree with their base ideas, but when you have people going around complaining over every "micro-aggression," it really sours people's views.

[Mr. Reactionary]

It is a sad reflection on our society that "Black lives matter" is a remotely controversial statement.

even more sad is when you get booed for saying all lives matter

Too true.

[Lyin' Steve]

I can't believe the absurd views in this thread.

i know right? atlas really is becoming a racist cessp-

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Please explain how what I said is racist.

[zs4321]

I can't believe the absurd views in this thread.

i know right? atlas really is becoming a racist cessp-

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Please explain how what I said is racist.

it's not

[Lyin' Steve]

I don't know that I've ever actually seen anyone on Atlas defend blm against a critical post.  All they do is call the critic a racist and then refuse to explain.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

MLK very famously was tremendously concerned about inconveniencing white people and hurting their feelings, of course, so he strived to be as inoffensive as possible. And when LBJ saw how nice and polite King was, Johnsom said "Gee shucks, maybe these blacks ain't so bad ... Civil rights for all!". Then they had a party!

[weixiaobao]

Bunch of racists....

/end of argument...

Though, what funny is that BLM can point out why All lives matter is controversial with them but they can't tell why Black Lives matter would be controversial.

It is all about the connotations of those statements.  Black lives matter = white people are racists and don't give a sh**t about black people.  Or white people don't think black lives matter.  So on and so forth.

But of course, I will get a reply from a BLM sympathizer that said but but but I don't think that way.  But there are people out there who think that way.

The facts is this the war on drugs, to laws that affect the poor more, to inherent bias and discriminatory toward black people within the justice system.  These things are real and need fixing.

But often time, those are pale in comparison to the crime stats within the black community.

When we have places like Baltimore riot where we have a black mayor, a black majority place, a black majority police institution, a black majority councilmen members, and a black police commissioner.  And it still happen.  Whether the high crime stats to these so call prejudice treatments.  When stores are burn down, it ain't the white or blacks' people stores.  It is other minorities of the USA, and of this black majority town.

When you bring that up to a BLM sympathizer, they would said, "well lives matter more than properties."

Whether Ferguson, to Baltimore, to LA riots, all I see is black members going after their fellow minorities (that aren't blacks).

And it would be racist for me to point out that in some places blacks are disproportionately target Asians in term of crime (and sometime intentionally that it happened this way).

[Penelope]

MLK very famously was tremendously concerned about inconveniencing white people and hurting their feelings, of course, so he strived to be as inoffensive as possible. And when LBJ saw how nice and polite King was, Johnsom said "Gee shucks, maybe these blacks ain't so bad ... Civil rights for all!". Then they had a party!

This essentially seems to be the conception many Atlas users have of the Civil Rights Movement.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

On twitter I've seen some very liberal white people try to defend rioting and property damage to prove that they aren't racist and then claimed to speak for MLK by saying he would have supported those actions.  Quite pathetic.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

I can't believe the absurd views in this thread.

i know right? atlas really is becoming a racist cessp-

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Please explain how what I said is racist.

doubt it's worth it, so i'll keep it short: blaming black protesters and activists for the long-running phenomenon of "white moderates" cherry-picking the easiest targets in the movement, perpetuating that phenomenon yourself, blaming black activists for being ~too angry~ about a system that literally murders them every day, &c., are all very racist actions.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Please explain how what I said is racist.

doubt it's worth it, so i'll keep it short: blaming black protesters and activists for the long-running phenomenon of "white moderates" cherry-picking the easiest targets in the movement, perpetuating that phenomenon yourself, blaming black activists for being ~too angry~ about a system thatliterally murders them every day, &c., are all very racist actions.

It's hyperbole like this that encourages protesters to harass random victims in the library.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Please explain how what I said is racist.

doubt it's worth it, so i'll keep it short: blaming black protesters and activists for the long-running phenomenon of "white moderates" cherry-picking the easiest targets in the movement, perpetuating that phenomenon yourself, blaming black activists for being ~too angry~ about a system thatliterally murders them every day, &c., are all very racist actions.

It's hyperbole like this that encourages protesters to harass random victims in the library.

the police alone have murdered at least 250 black people this year so far (that's 0.78 every day). add in other aspects of racism and your desperate claim of hyperbole flies out the window.

[RI]

Please explain how what I said is racist.

doubt it's worth it, so i'll keep it short: blaming black protesters and activists for the long-running phenomenon of "white moderates" cherry-picking the easiest targets in the movement, perpetuating that phenomenon yourself, blaming black activists for being ~too angry~ about a system thatliterally murders them every day, &c., are all very racist actions.

It's hyperbole like this that encourages protesters to harass random victims in the library.

the police alone have murdered at least 250 black people this year so far (that's 0.78 every day). add in other aspects of racism and your desperate claim of hyperbole flies out the window.

By your same source, police have killed (most aren't murders but homicides) 502 white people, 163 Hispanics, 18 Asians, and 13 Native Americans. By the same logic, anyone could complain that the system "literally murders them every day." It's reductive and hyperbolic.

Blacks comprise 26.4% of those killed by police in 2015, higher than their population rate of 14.9%, but lower than the proportion of black federal prisoners of 37.7%. or the national proportion of black prisoners of 40%. Natives Americans are also killed at a higher rate by police than their population proportion. Hispanics are about equal. Asians killed much less often. The obvious thread combining of all these is simple: poverty -> more likely to commit a crime -> more likely to be killed by a cop.

[Kingpoleon]

MLK wanted to nationalize industries. His social policy, however, was not socialistic. It was merely progressive.

To compare MLK to BLM is like the GOP comparing Lincoln to Cheney.