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« on: November 17, 2015, 12:44:44 PM »
« edited: November 17, 2015, 12:46:34 PM by realisticidealist »

This kind of thing certainly doesn't help. The more real terrorism makes headlines, the more petty and insignificant BLM seems. I'm waiting for the day a GOP candidate truly hammers these people.
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2015, 01:14:28 PM »

This kind of thing certainly doesn't help. The more real terrorism makes headlines, the more petty and insignificant BLM seems. I'm waiting for the day a GOP candidate truly hammers these people.

of course it's not surprising that if you take the fukken daily caller at face value you're gonna end up with a negative view of #blacklivesmatter. here's some facts the right-wing outrage machine left out:

1. actual spokespeople of the #blacklivesmatter movement were supportive of the victims of the paris attacks
2. the connection between #blacklivesmatter and #fʊckparis is extremely tenuous, at best.

I'm fully aware of their bias, but there are plenty of people who aren't and this kind of thing still affects public sentiment. It's bad PR no matter what.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2015, 04:05:20 PM »
« Edited: November 17, 2015, 04:07:42 PM by realisticidealist »

Please explain how what I said is racist.

doubt it's worth it, so i'll keep it short: blaming black protesters and activists for the long-running phenomenon of "white moderates" cherry-picking the easiest targets in the movement, perpetuating that phenomenon yourself, blaming black activists for being ~too angry~ about a system thatliterally murders them every day, &c., are all very racist actions.

It's hyperbole like this that encourages protesters to harass random victims in the library.

the police alone have murdered at least 250 black people this year so far (that's 0.78 every day). add in other aspects of racism and your desperate claim of hyperbole flies out the window.

By your same source, police have killed (most aren't murders but homicides) 502 white people, 163 Hispanics, 18 Asians, and 13 Native Americans. By the same logic, anyone could complain that the system "literally murders them every day." It's reductive and hyperbolic.

Blacks comprise 26.4% of those killed by police in 2015, higher than their population rate of 14.9%, but lower than the proportion of black federal prisoners of 37.7%. or the national proportion of black prisoners of 40%. Natives Americans are also killed at a higher rate by police than their population proportion. Hispanics are about equal. Asians killed much less often. The obvious thread combining of all these is simple: poverty -> more likely to commit a crime -> more likely to be killed by a cop.
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2015, 10:13:50 PM »
« Edited: November 17, 2015, 10:17:48 PM by realisticidealist »

1. It would be hard to be honest with yourself by saying mass incarceration has nothing to do with racism when minorites compose the majority of the prison population despite the fact that 69% of crimes are created by whites. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

That table lumps whites with Hispanics, which way overinflates the number. Regardless, your source shows blacks comprise 28.1% of total arrests while comprising only 26.4% of police homicides. Still not seeing the racial bias in police homicides.

Also, note that blacks are far overrepresented in violent crimes, which are much more likely to receive prison sentences versus other types of crimes: blacks comprise 38.5% of violent crimes arrests, 29.3% of property crimes arrests, and 27.4% of all other arrests.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2015, 10:40:30 PM »

1. It would be hard to be honest with yourself by saying mass incarceration has nothing to do with racism when minorites compose the majority of the prison population despite the fact that 69% of crimes are created by whites. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

That table lumps whites with Hispanics, which way overinflates the number. Regardless, your source shows blacks comprise 28.1% of total arrests while comprising only 26.4% of police homicides. Still not seeing the racial bias in police homicides.

Also, note that blacks are far overrepresented in violent crimes, which are much more likely to receive prison sentences versus other types of crimes: blacks comprise 38.5% of violent crimes arrests, 29.3% of property crimes arrests, and 27.4% of all other arrests.

The disparity is in incarcerations, I never claimed it was in arrests.

The table you linked is about arrests. But whatever.

If you combine whites and Hispanics, the aggregate group makes up 69.3% of arrests, disproportionately weighted toward non-violent crimes. This same aggregate group makes up 58.9% of federal prisoners. So yes, Hispanics+Blacks > 50% of federal prisoners, but you can't say that 69% of crimes are committed by non-Hispanic whites. That's completely untrue. There exists bias in that the proportion of blacks incarcerated is greater than the proportion of blacks arrested, but it is both not nearly as extreme as you presented and can be at least partially explained by the differential rates in the types of crimes committed between racial/ethnic groups.
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