Kasich proposes goverment agency to spread Christian values around the world

[ag]

I am sure when Kasich refers to Judeo-Christian values, he is speaking about basic values that most of us share, be we religious - or Godless, like myself. He might have said pluralistic, democratic values, under the rule of law impartially and fairly applied, but that's more complicated. Kasich is not a theocrat.

The thing about this is that if he had left out the phrase "Judeo-Christian" and gave it the same content no one would object all that strongly. Heck, the US has been doing that sort of thing for decades when we give out aid to places. The ideology we project is basically that of whoever is in power.

I would not even care if he just said "Christian": though, of course, I think Christianity has nothing to do with those values, but, hell, that is no different than Soviets citing Marx or Lenin on ritual occasions or in book introductions. But the "Judeo-" part I, as a Jew, find deeply offensive.

If you were Greek would you be offended by the term "Greco-Roman"?

a) it is up to the Greeks. They, actually, used to say "roman".

b) Unlike the "Judeo-Christian" it, actually, describes something beyond: "we have recently decided that killing Jews is in bad taste, so we now invite Jews to join us in other merry endeavors of the sort".

As for the Jewish side of it, please refer to the resident "Judeo-Christians'" reaction to thevidea of conversion. I am sure a certain Dutch resident here has had something to say on the topic: he seemed a bit less than eager for an extatic merger of faiths implied here.

[Taco Truck 🚚]

I am sure when Kasich refers to Judeo-Christian values, he is speaking about basic values that most of us share, be we religious - or Godless, like myself. He might have said pluralistic, democratic values, under the rule of law impartially and fairly applied, but that's more complicated. Kasich is not a theocrat.

No.  When you have jihadists trying to establish a caliphate who massacre over a hundred people in Paris on Friday you don't show up on Tuesday and say some dumb sh-t like this.  Is this guy an ISIS plant?  What the hell, man?!

I think it is a bad idea to let ISIS curb one's speech.

I think it is a bad idea for a moderator to curb my speech yet here we are.  People's speech gets curbed all the time.  It's called being an adult.  Something we should all intrinsically want from a president of all things.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I am sure when Kasich refers to Judeo-Christian values, he is speaking about basic values that most of us share, be we religious - or Godless, like myself. He might have said pluralistic, democratic values, under the rule of law impartially and fairly applied, but that's more complicated. Kasich is not a theocrat.

The thing about this is that if he had left out the phrase "Judeo-Christian" and gave it the same content no one would object all that strongly. Heck, the US has been doing that sort of thing for decades when we give out aid to places. The ideology we project is basically that of whoever is in power.

I would not even care if he just said "Christian": though, of course, I think Christianity has nothing to do with those values, but, hell, that is no different than Soviets citing Marx or Lenin on ritual occasions or in book introductions. But the "Judeo-" part I, as a Jew, find deeply offensive.

If you were Greek would you be offended by the term "Greco-Roman"?

a) it is up to the Greeks. They, actually, used to say "roman".

b) Unlike the "Judeo-Christian" it, actually, describes something beyond: "we have recently decided that killing Jews is in bad taste, so we now invite Jews to join us in other merry endeavors of the sort".

As for the Jewish side of it, please refer to the resident "Judeo-Christians'" reaction to thevidea of conversion. I am sure a certain Dutch resident here has had something to say on the topic: he seemed a bit less than eager for an extatic merger of faiths implied here.

The point of saying "Judeo-Christian" is that America's civic culture has been strongly influenced by both Jewish and Christian sources.   It is not saying that the two religions are the same in all respects.  To take offense at the claim that there is a Jewish influence on the ethics and religious experience of the United States, in some ways more directly and in others mediated through Christianity, is just bizarre.

[tpfkaw]

But the "Judeo-" part I, as a Jew, find deeply offensive.

That's kinda acting like the stereotype of looking for reasons to be offended. I could give a shinks, but the whole reason fundies say "Judeo-Christian values" is Jewish groups claimed to be really offended by the term "Christian values" in the early 90s.

[DS0816]

Ohio Gov. John Kasich is desperate.

[I support Sanders]

This will help Kasich secure the nomination. Everyone has to move to the right in a GOP primary, including Kasich and Pataki, just as Romney did in 2012 and McCain did in 2008.

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I'm not sure how the Russians will react to Kasich trying to convert them to Christianity.

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But the "Judeo-" part I, as a Jew, find deeply offensive.

That's kinda acting like the stereotype of looking for reasons to be offended. I could give a shinks, but the whole reason fundies say "Judeo-Christian values" is Jewish groups claimed to be really offended by the term "Christian values" in the early 90s.

In fifty years, it will probably morph into "Abrahamic values" as Muslims become less fashionable to hate on.

[Likely Voter]

I don't think Americans want the Federal government to mandate the missionary position.

[ag]

I am sure when Kasich refers to Judeo-Christian values, he is speaking about basic values that most of us share, be we religious - or Godless, like myself. He might have said pluralistic, democratic values, under the rule of law impartially and fairly applied, but that's more complicated. Kasich is not a theocrat.

The thing about this is that if he had left out the phrase "Judeo-Christian" and gave it the same content no one would object all that strongly. Heck, the US has been doing that sort of thing for decades when we give out aid to places. The ideology we project is basically that of whoever is in power.

I would not even care if he just said "Christian": though, of course, I think Christianity has nothing to do with those values, but, hell, that is no different than Soviets citing Marx or Lenin on ritual occasions or in book introductions. But the "Judeo-" part I, as a Jew, find deeply offensive.

If you were Greek would you be offended by the term "Greco-Roman"?

a) it is up to the Greeks. They, actually, used to say "roman".

b) Unlike the "Judeo-Christian" it, actually, describes something beyond: "we have recently decided that killing Jews is in bad taste, so we now invite Jews to join us in other merry endeavors of the sort".

As for the Jewish side of it, please refer to the resident "Judeo-Christians'" reaction to thevidea of conversion. I am sure a certain Dutch resident here has had something to say on the topic: he seemed a bit less than eager for an extatic merger of faiths implied here.

The point of saying "Judeo-Christian" is that America's civic culture has been strongly influenced by both Jewish and Christian sources.   It is not saying that the two religions are the same in all respects.  To take offense at the claim that there is a Jewish influence on the ethics and religious experience of the United States, in some ways more directly and in others mediated through Christianity, is just bizarre.

Bull. Jews have been outsiders in the US until very recently, with minimal impact on civic culture: except as targets of discrimination. To the extent Jews had impact on US civic culture in the last few decades, these were secular Jews (many of them socialists), who defined their political ideas as the opposite of traditional Judaism. The impact of proper Orthodox Judaism on the US at large is negligible. Which, by the way, is extremely fortunate.

Now, do not get me wrong. I, actually, like the ultra-Orthodox a lot. I would not want to live in a society they dominate, but I sympathize a lot with their plight. This does not change the fact that proper Orthodox Judaism is, in fact, very close to conservative Islam in terms of the political culture it would generate inside the community, except that Islam, of course, is a lot more tolerant and welcoming of outsiders.

Then, again, the traditional Christianity is the least tolerant of the three.

[ag]

But the "Judeo-" part I, as a Jew, find deeply offensive.

That's kinda acting like the stereotype of looking for reasons to be offended. I could give a shinks, but the whole reason fundies say "Judeo-Christian values" is Jewish groups claimed to be really offended by the term "Christian values" in the early 90s.

You know, there is a Russian proverb: "An uninvited guest is worse than a Tartar". So, apparently, Tartars protested, so the Russians decided to correct the proverb. Now it says: "An uninvited guest is better than a Tartar". The sort of cultural sensitivity your fundies have

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I'm not sure how the Russians will react to Kasich trying to convert them to Christianity.

Or to Judaism?

[they don't love you like i love you]

This is seriously the best proposal any of the non-Trump Republican candidates has made guys.

[Kingpoleon]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/17/john-kasich-proposes-creating-a-propaganda-department-to-spread-judeo-christian-values/

Applauding the WP on fact checking the media.

[Simfan34]

Give Jon Huntsman credit for never pandering like this.

Indeed. Who would've imagined in August that John Kasich's campaign would actually be worse than Jon Huntsman's? And not only that, but more opportunistic. Kasich's campaign is going down in flames.

Hey, Jon Huntsman had one of the best campaigns of all time. At least in my book. No one will insult Jon Huntsman while I'm around!

[OSR stands with Israel]

How the hell did this man go from a sensible, moderate candidate to a total nut? Depressing.

Just because conservatives hate him doesn't mean he was ever a sensible, moderate candidate.

He was on Reagan's campaign in 1976, he ran as a right-wing conservative every time he ran for Congress. When he retired he worked for Fox News to blab right-wing talking points, and worked for Lehman Brothers just as the banks were crashing down. Then he ran for Governor on a strongly conservative platform, won, and largely enacted that platform with some exceptions (because they were defeated embarassingly) and added some stuff to make himself look reasonable.

John Kasich throws out an issue or two, but make no mistake, he's not a moderate nor has he ever been a moderate.

Reagan was a sensible moderate conservative just like Kasich only better

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

How the hell did this man go from a sensible, moderate candidate to a total nut? Depressing.

Just because conservatives hate him doesn't mean he was ever a sensible, moderate candidate.

He was on Reagan's campaign in 1976, he ran as a right-wing conservative every time he ran for Congress. When he retired he worked for Fox News to blab right-wing talking points, and worked for Lehman Brothers just as the banks were crashing down. Then he ran for Governor on a strongly conservative platform, won, and largely enacted that platform with some exceptions (because they were defeated embarassingly) and added some stuff to make himself look reasonable.

John Kasich throws out an issue or two, but make no mistake, he's not a moderate nor has he ever been a moderate.

Reagan was a sensible moderate conservative just like Kasich only better

I had to double check the username to realize that this wasn't a troll.

[OSR stands with Israel]

How the hell did this man go from a sensible, moderate candidate to a total nut? Depressing.

Just because conservatives hate him doesn't mean he was ever a sensible, moderate candidate.

He was on Reagan's campaign in 1976, he ran as a right-wing conservative every time he ran for Congress. When he retired he worked for Fox News to blab right-wing talking points, and worked for Lehman Brothers just as the banks were crashing down. Then he ran for Governor on a strongly conservative platform, won, and largely enacted that platform with some exceptions (because they were defeated embarassingly) and added some stuff to make himself look reasonable.

John Kasich throws out an issue or two, but make no mistake, he's not a moderate nor has he ever been a moderate.

Reagan was a sensible moderate conservative just like Kasich only better

I had to double check the username to realize that this wasn't a troll.

Reagan was a fantastic president , saving us from the disastrous economic polices of the 60s and 70s, was a big reason why the USSR collapsed.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I am sure when Kasich refers to Judeo-Christian values, he is speaking about basic values that most of us share, be we religious - or Godless, like myself. He might have said pluralistic, democratic values, under the rule of law impartially and fairly applied, but that's more complicated. Kasich is not a theocrat.

The thing about this is that if he had left out the phrase "Judeo-Christian" and gave it the same content no one would object all that strongly. Heck, the US has been doing that sort of thing for decades when we give out aid to places. The ideology we project is basically that of whoever is in power.

I would not even care if he just said "Christian": though, of course, I think Christianity has nothing to do with those values, but, hell, that is no different than Soviets citing Marx or Lenin on ritual occasions or in book introductions. But the "Judeo-" part I, as a Jew, find deeply offensive.

If you were Greek would you be offended by the term "Greco-Roman"?

a) it is up to the Greeks. They, actually, used to say "roman".

b) Unlike the "Judeo-Christian" it, actually, describes something beyond: "we have recently decided that killing Jews is in bad taste, so we now invite Jews to join us in other merry endeavors of the sort".

As for the Jewish side of it, please refer to the resident "Judeo-Christians'" reaction to thevidea of conversion. I am sure a certain Dutch resident here has had something to say on the topic: he seemed a bit less than eager for an extatic merger of faiths implied here.

The point of saying "Judeo-Christian" is that America's civic culture has been strongly influenced by both Jewish and Christian sources.   It is not saying that the two religions are the same in all respects.  To take offense at the claim that there is a Jewish influence on the ethics and religious experience of the United States, in some ways more directly and in others mediated through Christianity, is just bizarre.

Bull. Jews have been outsiders in the US until very recently, with minimal impact on civic culture: except as targets of discrimination. To the extent Jews had impact on US civic culture in the last few decades, these were secular Jews (many of them socialists), who defined their political ideas as the opposite of traditional Judaism. The impact of proper Orthodox Judaism on the US at large is negligible. Which, by the way, is extremely fortunate.

Now, do not get me wrong. I, actually, like the ultra-Orthodox a lot. I would not want to live in a society they dominate, but I sympathize a lot with their plight. This does not change the fact that proper Orthodox Judaism is, in fact, very close to conservative Islam in terms of the political culture it would generate inside the community, except that Islam, of course, is a lot more tolerant and welcoming of outsiders.

Then, again, the traditional Christianity is the least tolerant of the three.

This term has nothing to do with how people of different religions treated each other. Nor is not primarily matter of doctrine. It is about the influence of ideas; those ideas found in both Judaism and Christianity, which were influential for the American moral ethos.  Ideas such as God as the Creator, a common humanity under God, Providence - these come from Judaism ultimately, mediated through the Christian tradition, along with some Enlightenment rationalist influences that arose within the context of this tradition.   

One can make legitimate criticism the usefulness of the term, but that involves making an effort to understand what it is the term intends to express, instead of drawing up a litany of religious conflicts and persecutions in order to burn down strawmen. 

[Intell]

How the hell did this man go from a sensible, moderate candidate to a total nut? Depressing.

Just because conservatives hate him doesn't mean he was ever a sensible, moderate candidate.

He was on Reagan's campaign in 1976, he ran as a right-wing conservative every time he ran for Congress. When he retired he worked for Fox News to blab right-wing talking points, and worked for Lehman Brothers just as the banks were crashing down. Then he ran for Governor on a strongly conservative platform, won, and largely enacted that platform with some exceptions (because they were defeated embarassingly) and added some stuff to make himself look reasonable.

John Kasich throws out an issue or two, but make no mistake, he's not a moderate nor has he ever been a moderate.

Reagan was a sensible moderate conservative just like Kasich only better

I had to double check the username to realize that this wasn't a troll.

Reagan was a fantastic president , saving us from the disastrous economic polices of the 60s and 70s, was a big reason why the USSR collapsed.

With destroying the backs of the poor, with Reaganomics and de-regulation. With slashing social programs and ruining the economy.

[Cassius]

Kasich is a true hero.

[Oliver King]

Kasich is too religious. Kasich even thinks schools should be closely connected with Christian religious groups. He included religious requirement in $10 million education package in December 2014

[Averroës Nix]

I am sure when Kasich refers to Judeo-Christian values, he is speaking about basic values that most of us share, be we religious - or Godless, like myself. He might have said pluralistic, democratic values, under the rule of law impartially and fairly applied, but that's more complicated. Kasich is not a theocrat.

"Pluralistic, democratic values were given to us by the Lord and they need to be taken care of. They shouldn't be worshiped, that is called pantheism. Torie pointing out the fact that we need to take care of these basic values, that is good, I don't agree with his conclusion they can be 'Godless'."

[All Along The Watchtower]

Wow, Kasich is more right-wing on this issue than George W. Bush. At least the latter, for example, didn't really care whether world leaders were Christian or not, just that they were driven by some sort of religious faith.

If he was smart, he'd learn how to better utilize the kind of linguistic code that Dubya used: saying seemingly innocuous and inclusive stuff that, in reality, spoke deeply to evangelical Protestant hopes and fears.

[Young Conservative]

I agree with trying to influence others to adopt our values, but I don't think we need a new bureaucracy to do so.