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« on: November 18, 2015, 06:54:37 PM »

My friends. I am in no way unsympathetic to the many Jews escaping Persecution from Mr Hitler. My heart goes out to them. I am not an anti-Semite and not only do I have many Jewish friends, but a Jew goes to my golf club. However, the United States cannot raise its quota for these people. It's just a matter of public safety. After all, many Jews in Germany are disproportionately linked to communist uprisings. Can we be sure that the American nation will be safe from communism? Perhaps refugees will be spies for foreign governments! Perhaps they will take American jobs! Like I said I AM NOT ANTI SEMETIC (and if you call me antisemetic that's as bad as being antisemetic) but many Jews just want to destroy America and all it stands for.

In addition, I have a suggestion (not based on race k, it's on public safety) about what to do with the Japanese ...
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2015, 07:04:01 PM »

Be careful. You will start getting non-sarcastic messages of agreement very soon, as has already happened to you recently in other threads.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2015, 07:04:30 PM »

This is exactly what happened. This is the exact rhetoric that was spouted. It's not any sort of hypothetical.

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2015, 07:09:41 PM »

I challenge you sir to go and say that if you dare face to face to Ted Cruz.
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2015, 07:59:53 PM »

My friends. I am in no way unsympathetic to the many Jews escaping Persecution from Mr Hitler. My heart goes out to them. I am not an anti-Semite and not only do I have many Jewish friends, but a Jew goes to my golf club. However, the United States cannot raise its quota for these people. It's just a matter of public safety. After all, many Jews in Germany are disproportionately linked to communist uprisings. Can we be sure that the American nation will be safe from communism? Perhaps refugees will be spies for foreign governments! Perhaps they will take American jobs! Like I said I AM NOT ANTI SEMETIC (and if you call me antisemetic that's as bad as being antisemetic) but many Jews just want to destroy America and all it stands for.

In addition, I have a suggestion (not based on race k, it's on public safety) about what to do with the Japanese ...
It's sad so many don't see this today...
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2015, 08:48:44 PM »

Yeah, whatevs, no German refugees either. Not my problem.
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2015, 11:07:50 PM »

It's sad so many don't see this today...

Yeah even sadder that this is one of the most substantive threads on this forum and it was quickly moved to a bastard subforum so no one would have to confront the reality of their monstrous behavior.  Politicians are foaming at the mouth demanding we repeat the awful mistakes of the past and the craven response is to bury the issue.

Well done.
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2015, 11:12:48 PM »

These refugees don't speak our language, the Germans confiscate all property of emigres so they come in destitute, and, let's be frank, they'll never assimilate into our culture or way of life. If you're sympathetic to the plight of German Jewry, donate to the Red Cross or to the many Jewish relief organizations that exist.

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In all seriousness, posterity is going to absolutely hate us for fence-sitting on the refugee crisis and, if anything, Obama's outspoken support for the Syrian refugees will singlehandedly bump him a good 5 places or so on those horrible "rate the Presidents" list by the 2050s even though the nearly 200,000 refugees we take in will be barely 5% of the total.

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2015, 11:25:00 PM »

I, for one, refuse to allow any Middle Easterners or Jews to seek refuge here.  There's just no room here, and furthermore if any of their women are pregnant then they're just bringing in anchor babies.

Now excuse me while I go and protest Starbucks for their disgustingly anti-Christian, anti-Christmas red cups.
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2015, 05:02:14 AM »

This wouldn't be the America we all know and love if we weren't f***ing immigrants over, and I find it very hard to believe that's going to change anytime soon.
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2015, 09:03:31 AM »

Because Jews from Germany were carrying out terrorist attacks all over the world Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2015, 10:14:37 AM »

Rosa Luxembourg etc.

Come on David, you know probably better than I do what people used to (and in many cases still do) say about Jews.
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2015, 11:20:51 AM »

I probably missed the part where she, and other revolutionary communist Jews, invoked G-d and their Jewish traditions in the crimes they perpetrated.

Come on David, you know probably better than I do what people used to (and in many cases still do) say about Jews.
Frankly I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I do know what people said and sometimes still say about Jews. And I do know that many people who oppose taking in migrants now would have opposed taking in Jewish refugees, would have opposed taking in my own family members who were refugees. But that does not automatically mean that these situations are comparable; the comparison is, indeed, very flawed. The current practice of "country-hopping" to wealthier countries with safe countries as point of departure, for instance, is clearly not comparable to Jews' situation, who were literally begging to be accepted in any safe country. There is no comparison between the entitlement mentality many current migrants have and the way Jews behaved.

Does that mean we should not help these people? No. Does that mean we should not be compassionate to those people? No. We should definitely help them. But simply taking in as many Syrians (or people from warzones in general, as many of the current migrants are in fact not from Syria) as possible does not solve the tragedy that is taking place. In fact, we can help a lot more people if we coordinate this with poor yet safe and fairly stable countries, such as Turkey or, potentially, Morocco. It truly seems that taking in many refugees will only fan the flames in a Europe that is already very unstable, and the influx of Jewish migrants objectively did not create a similar kind of instability in society.
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2015, 11:28:55 AM »

Of course we should. What is America but a place of refuge for all those around the world?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
 Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
 The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
 Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
 I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2015, 12:54:42 PM »
« Edited: November 19, 2015, 07:18:20 PM by mencken »

Given the demographics of the current "refugees", South America's "refugee" policy during the 1940s might be a better example than North America's refugee policy during the 1930s.
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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2015, 02:13:28 PM »

I, for one, refuse to allow any Middle Easterners or Jews to seek refuge here.  There's just no room here, and furthermore if any of their women are pregnant then they're just bringing in anchor babies.

Now excuse me while I go and protest Starbucks for their disgustingly anti-Christian, anti-Christmas red cups.

I don't see the new cups from Starbucks being a big deal since their red color is festive enough anyway. The people who believe there is a "war on Christmas" should be happy that the cups don't say "happy holidays".

The funny thing is people complaining about the cups being anti-Christian while the Starbucks logo has a pagan symbol on it.
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2015, 07:13:19 PM »

Perhaps Roosevelt is dithering on the Jewish question so as to prove to those who accuse him of being "Frank Rosenfelt" that he isn't really in the service of the Jews. It is true that Father Coughlin and the like would have a field day and the Republicans might nominate Lindbergh in 40 if he allows more in but that's no excuse for refusing to do the right thing. Especially since it's highly doubtful that he'll break with Washington's tradition and run again.
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2015, 12:14:12 AM »

I think that we should let in some Syrian refugees, provided that we screen them first.

Perhaps Roosevelt is dithering on the Jewish question so as to prove to those who accuse him of being "Frank Rosenfelt" that he isn't really in the service of the Jews. It is true that Father Coughlin and the like would have a field day and the Republicans might nominate Lindbergh in 40 if he allows more in but that's no excuse for refusing to do the right thing. Especially since it's highly doubtful that he'll break with Washington's tradition and run again.

Is the "Frank Rosenfelt" thing a reference to Roosevelt's supposed Jewish ancestry or something?
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2015, 07:21:04 AM »

Given the demographics of the current "refugees", South America's "refugee" policy during the 1940s might be a better example than North America's refugee policy during the 1930s.
Right on the money.
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2015, 11:30:49 PM »

Once again, DavidB has worded everything perfectly. This idea of just taking in as many refugees as possible is not a sound or stable one.
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2015, 11:31:09 PM »

If there's a strict background to check the person is not some Nazi supporter who is lying about being a Jew.(Evil people lie so we cant be fooled by them)
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2015, 07:10:33 PM »

Given the demographics of the current "refugees", South America's "refugee" policy during the 1940s might be a better example than North America's refugee policy during the 1930s.
Right on the money.

Indeed.  These are two very, very different situations, though it's always nice to see left-wingers get snarky with satire like this.
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2016, 10:41:46 PM »
« Edited: January 13, 2016, 11:19:46 PM by ag »

Fun fact: FBI pretty much started with young J. Egar Hoover getting to sort through the archives of the former Russian embassy: they had pretty damn good intelligence on Russian refugees´ activities in the US. The documents are still at the Hoover institution. Many years ago (I am getting old) I worked as an assitant to a historian, who was trying to use them the files to write a book. We would meet at YIVO in NYC (back then still on 5th ave.), he would give me piles of photocopied documents and I translated. There are things one never forgets...

When Grigory (Gersh-Isaak) Gershuni, the founding leader of the Social Revolutionary Party´s Fighting Organization - the largest and most successful terrorist organization in the history of the Russian Empire - fled his Siberian prison, he, actually, escaped into the US, landing, if my memory does not betray me, in San Francisco. On his arrival, a "deputation" showed up in his hotel, asking him to make a speech to the local public. Gershuni had doubts, whether there would be any interest. But the locals were confident: "we have many Jews here". "But are they ready for the Revolution?" asked Gershuni. To which he got a natural response: "All Jews are ready for the Revolution!"

That is the real Jewish tradition that many - most, probably - Jewish refugees from Europe into the US would identify with before WWII: not the invented romanticism of the Zionists or the abandoned Orthodoxy of the shtetl. Well into the 1940s and 1950s "right-wing" in Yiddish New York meant "sociallist" (in contrast to left-wing communists). There was a time, now forgotten, when Jewish nationalism meant The Bund: not some Zionist romanticism (which at the time was cursed by the bulk of the Yiddishkayt, including both the rabbis and by the socialists). A certain poster here, who claims to be Jewish, would happily leave those people to the Nazis: they were not real Jews to him, as they did not share his idea of what Jewishness means.

I simply have no words left.

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2016, 10:57:21 PM »

My friends. I am in no way unsympathetic to the many Jews escaping Persecution from Mr Hitler. My heart goes out to them. I am not an anti-Semite and not only do I have many Jewish friends, but a Jew goes to my golf club. However, the United States cannot raise its quota for these people. It's just a matter of public safety. After all, many Jews in Germany are disproportionately linked to communist uprisings. Can we be sure that the American nation will be safe from communism? Perhaps refugees will be spies for foreign governments! Perhaps they will take American jobs! Like I said I AM NOT ANTI SEMETIC (and if you call me antisemetic that's as bad as being antisemetic) but many Jews just want to destroy America and all it stands for.

In addition, I have a suggestion (not based on race k, it's on public safety) about what to do with the Japanese ...

You did get the non-sarcastic supporters here: I warned you.
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2016, 11:01:42 PM »
« Edited: January 13, 2016, 11:05:23 PM by ag »

And one more thing. I did abandon the relevant topics in the International Discussion board, because I cannot stomach reading through the horror that is happening there. But this is the history forum: the proper place to remember the dead. I will not let their memory be blasphemed.


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