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Question: Which states do you consider to be part of it?
#1
Alabama
 
#2
Arkansas
 
#3
Delaware
 
#4
D.C.
 
#5
Florida
 
#6
Georgia
 
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Kentucky
 
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Louisiana
 
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Maryland
 
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Mississippi
 
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Missouri
 
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North Carolina
 
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Oklahoma
 
#14
South Carolina
 
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Tennessee
 
#16
Texas
 
#17
Virginia
 
#18
West Virginia
 
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« on: November 21, 2015, 11:47:38 PM »

When you hear the term "the South," which states come to mind? Not necessarily the geographic southern portion of the United States (that would include Hawaii, etc.), but the cultural South.

My map would be divided in to a number of tiers and look something like this:


>90 (MS, AL, GA) - These states are the literal core of the South, both geographically and culturally. You really can't have the South without them.

>80% (SC) - South Carolina basically meets all of the criteria set by the above tier, but there are a few rare instances in which it's considered not as Southern.

>70% (AR, LA, TN, NC) - These guys are still certified members of the club, just not in the inner circle. They're generally included in South-related matters, but there are a number of cases in which they can't be included in the core.

>60% (FL) - Though Florida isn't in the geographical Southern block, many of its cultural aspects are still comparable. It is much more influenced by urban areas/minorities than the core South, but it should still be included in any reasonable analysis.

>50% (TX, VA) - This is where it gets trickier. Both Texas and Virginia have a number of Southern aspects (especially from a historical perspective), but the influences of immigration and the DC metro have certainly taken their tolls upon them. They're borderline Southern.

>40% (OK, MO, KY, WV) - These guys could be considered part of the South in a number of situations, but they some of the key aspects needed to be fully included.

>30% (DC, MD, DE) - Definitely not Southern, but for some reason the US Census wants to think otherwise.

206 Electoral Votes total... how fitting.

If I had to group each of the states into a 'Yes' or 'No' column for overall Southerness, I think I would go with everything >60% and above. Sorry Texas and Virginia Sad. One of y'all is a little bit too Western and the other a bit to Northern to make the team.
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015, 11:49:13 PM »

Everything except Missouri, Maryland, DC, and Delaware. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2015, 11:59:40 PM »

Everything except Missouri, Maryland, DC, and Delaware. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2015, 12:02:27 AM »

Excluded Maryland, DC, Delaware, and Virginia.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2015, 12:12:32 AM »

Everything but Oklahoma.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2015, 12:17:11 AM »

All but Maryland, DC, and Delaware
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2015, 12:43:27 AM »

All but Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, DC, Maryland, and Delaware. Oklahoma is questionable, but I say yes.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2015, 12:47:44 AM »

Indiana has a stronger claim on being Southern than Delaware, not that I'd include either in the South.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2015, 01:33:34 AM »

Parts of Missouri, Texas, Kansas and Oklahoma count for me.
MO-South of St. Louis along the river, Springfield/Branson region
TX-The part that borders Louisiana and Arkansas, ending east of Dallas and near the Mexican border
KS-Crawford, Labette, Cherokee, Neosho counties
OK-Little Dixie up to Northeast of Tulsa
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2015, 02:24:53 AM »

Basically the states that seceded from the union.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2015, 02:28:38 AM »

All the states above, but excluding NoVa, the DC suburbs, and New Castle County.
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2015, 03:00:35 AM »

Vermont, Outer Manchuria, Planet Neptune
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2015, 08:21:44 AM »


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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2015, 11:36:07 AM »

All except MD, DE, and DC.

However, MO, KY and WV I would class as borderline Southern, while Texas is at the intersection of the South, Southwest and Plains. Oklahoma is part Southern (mainly towards Arkansas) and part Plains if you ask me.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2015, 12:17:42 PM »

Everything south of U.S. Route 30 east of the Rockies is "The South" to me, and thus should be avoided Tongue

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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2015, 12:45:40 PM »

You know you're a hipster when Oregon and California are too Southern for your tastes.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2015, 12:52:25 PM »

You know you're a hipster when Oregon and California are too Southern for your tastes.

Everything south of U.S. Route 30 east of the Rockies is

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But in fairness, I am a Chicago Supremacist, so anything outside of this area is generally off my radar
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2015, 01:48:08 PM »

Everything that was in the Confederacy minus the Southwest territories (parts of Arizona and New Mexico, I think?), or had a large percentage of people wanting to be in the Confederacy.
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2015, 01:54:50 PM »

I would say something like this:

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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2015, 02:28:01 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2015, 02:41:18 PM »

All but DC, Delaware, Maryland, Oklahoma, Texas, and West Virginia.
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2015, 02:55:36 PM »

All of North America that isn't part of Canada.
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2015, 04:30:09 PM »

MS, AL, GA, SC as the "Deep South"
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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2015, 08:07:58 PM »

This is basically how I think of it:



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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2015, 07:16:32 PM »
« Edited: November 27, 2015, 11:39:41 AM by Oldiesfreak1854 »


Deep South
Outer South
Border States

EDIT: Added Kentucky to the border states, since it never formally seceded during the Civil War.

What about Mexico and the Caribbean?
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