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« on: November 22, 2015, 09:35:29 AM »

Trump/Clinton: 46/41
Carson/Clinton: 47/42
Rubio/Clinton: 50/42
Bush/Clinton: 45/39
Cruz/Clinton: 45/41
Clinton/Fiorina: 42/42
Christie/Clinton: 46/43

Trump/Sanders: 46/41

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/11/20/fox-news-poll-2016-matchups-syrian-refugees/
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2015, 10:16:25 AM »

Obama's numbers are downright terrible to the point its making me question the validity of this poll.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2015, 11:17:02 AM »

Its a fox poll. Others have it a dead heat. That's where I think its at.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2015, 11:39:00 AM »

Obama's numbers are downright terrible to the point its making me question the validity of this poll.

Say what you want about FoX News, but its polls in 2008 and 2012 were accurate. Fear of terrorism still tends to aid Republicans in the polls. Republicans love to bluster about it, and President Obama doesn't.  Polls from since the November 15 terrorist acts in Paris show this.

If there are terrorist strikes within two months of Election Day, then the Democrats get a political smackdown in 2016. They lose the Presidency, they do not win back the House, and Republicans make gains in the House. People in fear follow those who offer those who offer the most decisive rhetoric. If Republicans could take political advantage of the fear of terror when they had full power in 2004, just think of what they can do when a Democrat is President.

Republicans have yet to show that they can deal competently with terrorism -- but they can certainly stir up anti-Muslim sentiments.

About President Obama:

Approve Disapprove (Don’t know)
 Nov 15 40% 54  6
 Nov 15 45% 50 5
 Oct 15 42% 53 5
 Sep 15 44% 50 6
 Aug 15 42% 51 7
 Aug 15 46% 46 7
  Jul 15 47% 48 6
  Jun 15 44% 50 6
  Jun 15 45% 48 7

Polls will reflect events if they have any validity, and this one does. The most recent poll looks bad for President Obama -- but consider the changed political climate for now. The President does not know how to exploit fear of terrorists. He does far better at ordering military strikes that kill high-visibility terrorists and the chain of command, which may be far better for getting results than all the bluster about "Radical Islam".

Most recent polls show President Obama at or above the critical threshold of 44% approval that makes re-election likely for an incumbent seeking re-election. (He isn't seeking re-election, but any level of support below 44% is big trouble for a Democratic nominee for President. The current poll shows America in a climate of fear at the least for the moment. A Republican President can usually win support in such a situation even if incompetent. A Democrat is not so effective in having America rally around him quickly.

The terrorist strikes in Paris show no sign of any lapse of competence of the President of the United States. French law enforcement chased down surviving perpetrators who chose death to capture. This national poll is consistent with some of the most recent statewide polls showing support for Democrats down, so it is not out of line.

If the election were to be held in early December, then Democrats would take a political beating.  I predict that Democrats should start faring better -- slowly, but in plenty of time for the 2016 election a little over eleven months from now. All in all there's nothing objectionable about President Obama in dealing with the terrorist menace -- unless one is a terrorist.  

Another question:

Which one of the following is the most important issue facing the country today? [IF DON’T KNOW OR ALL OR OTHER, ASK: Well, if you had to pick…]
[RANDOMIZE LIST]
  
16-19 Nov 15 30 Jul-2 Aug 15
Terrorism    24%    11%
The economy and jobs 21 30
Health care 7 11

Can you see a good reason for "terrorism" to suddenly become more important than "the economy and jobs"?  Of course concern about terrorism will abate, at least until the next outrage. How quickly? You tell me.

Recognize this poll for what it says now. If Americans fear a terrorist attack around Election Day next year, then Republicans will take advantage of such fear. President Obama has built upon the few things that Dubya did right to create a world much less safe... for terrorists.In the end that matters.    
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2015, 11:39:25 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2015, 12:24:05 PM »

It is a FOX poll, but I think it's reasonably clear nonetheless that national security has hurt the Democrats somewhat.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2015, 01:09:16 PM »

It is a FOX poll, but I think it's reasonably clear nonetheless that national security has hurt the Democrats somewhat.

It doesn't change the fact Trump is too conservative with Latinos & Blks dont like him either, and Dems will win the Latino vote in CO & NV.

The race is tied, rather than a clear Clinton lead.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2015, 03:47:15 PM »

It is a FOX poll, but I think it's reasonably clear nonetheless that national security has hurt the Democrats somewhat.

If the Republicans can successfully make national security the focus of the 2016 election, then they win -- big. That is one possible conclusion about this poll and some of the statewide polls of the last week.

Even if they respond incompetently and destructively, Republicans have the edge when the focus of American life is fear of international enemies.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2015, 04:24:30 PM »
« Edited: November 22, 2015, 04:28:33 PM by OC »

I dont see Trump running away with thie at all. He isnt a political family like Jeb or isnt Marco Rubio. And Dems are stil in this race due the 272 electoral strategy & Latinos. Even if Trump has a slight edge.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2015, 06:07:32 PM »
« Edited: November 22, 2015, 06:11:20 PM by EliteLX »

For the love of Christ, Atlas is obsessed with the "FAUUUX NEWS LO0l TRASH POLL!!". Fox Polling has a history of being rather accurate for the most part, more so than dozens of other pollsters.

The GOP is taking a post-Paris foreign policy boost and its reflecting in their polls temporarily. Without the temporary boost the race is close and neck & neck, as seen contrasting this and PPP. End of story.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2015, 06:33:48 PM »

I really wish Hillary never ran and we had someone like Klobuchar running who is far less polarizing and personable. The e-mail scandal has been out of the headlines for a few weeks now and she is still struggling in the polls.
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2015, 07:12:44 PM »

I really wish Hillary never ran and we had someone like Klobuchar running who is far less polarizing and personable. The e-mail scandal has been out of the headlines for a few weeks now and she is still struggling in the polls.

Mark Dayton and Amy Klobuchar would have both made for very strong Democratic candidates, indeed.  But what we're seeing with Hillary's poll numbers right now is not her "baseline."  Rather, she's in an ISIS-related trough.  Her last trough was her spat of low polls due to the e-mail scandal, and her "baseline" or high-point was the time in between these two news cycles where she crushed it with her Benghazi testimony.  Hillary Clinton seems to be incredibly underestimated here by some of her haters.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2015, 08:25:46 PM »

Calm down Democrats - polls this far out mean pretty much nothing.

And hilarious that Fiorina is tied at this point. I suspect she'd lose in a 1980-level sweep.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2015, 09:46:39 PM »

Calm down Democrats - polls this far out mean pretty much nothing.

And hilarious that Fiorina is tied at this point. I suspect she'd lose in a 1980-level sweep.
Pretty much.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2015, 09:54:20 PM »

Calm down Democrats - polls this far out mean pretty much nothing.

And hilarious that Fiorina is tied at this point. I suspect she'd lose in a 1980-level sweep.

The polls do mean something. But yes, Fiornia would go down in flames once people realized how bad her record at HP was.
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2015, 10:49:19 PM »

Calm down Democrats - polls this far out mean pretty much nothing.

And hilarious that Fiorina is tied at this point. I suspect she'd lose in a 1980-level sweep.

The polls do mean something. But yes, Fiornia would go down in flames once people realized how bad her record at HP was.

The polls at this moment mean what the race looks like now. It's not an accurate predictor of what is going to happen in November of next year.
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2015, 01:34:33 AM »

I really wish Hillary never ran and we had someone like Klobuchar running who is far less polarizing and personable.

And I'm sure Republicans would refrain from attacking her as a baby-killing, terrorist-loving, socialist witch.
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2015, 11:32:36 AM »

FoX News polls were reliable in 2008 and 2012. This poll demonstrates very well how Democrats would do if the Republicans successfully made the 2016 election all about national security. They now get to beat their chests and shout "No Sharia Law! "Radical Islam!" and "No Syrian refugees!"

Would they be better at national security due to their bluster? Not in the least.
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2015, 03:21:05 PM »

FoX News polls were reliable in 2008 and 2012. This poll demonstrates very well how Democrats would do if the Republicans successfully made the 2016 election all about national security. They now get to beat their chests and shout "No Sharia Law! "Radical Islam!" and "No Syrian refugees!"

Would they be better at national security due to their bluster? Not in the least.

Fox News makes sure their final poll is right. The rest of them are biased as anything just to fit their agenda. (Gosh, never thought I'd be arguing the pbrower wasn't unskewing polls.)
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2015, 05:32:31 PM »

FoX News polls were reliable in 2008 and 2012. This poll demonstrates very well how Democrats would do if the Republicans successfully made the 2016 election all about national security. They now get to beat their chests and shout "No Sharia Law! "Radical Islam!" and "No Syrian refugees!"

Would they be better at national security due to their bluster? Not in the least.

Fox News makes sure their final poll is right. The rest of them are biased as anything just to fit their agenda. (Gosh, never thought I'd be arguing the pbrower wasn't unskewing polls.)

Fox also had Kerry up in their final national poll in 2004 interestingly enough.
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2015, 07:33:40 PM »

It is a FOX poll, but I think it's reasonably clear nonetheless that national security has hurt the Democrats somewhat.

It'll get better as the election season goes on. Hillary will become more aggressive on war plans in Syria/against ISIS once the nomination is wrapped up, and liberals will come home to her. It probably is a tossup against non object-able Republicans like Rubio and she'll lead nuts like Trump and Cruz by a healthy margin.

Not that there aren't polls that indicate this now, but it'll become more obvious in every poll as time goes on.
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