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« on: November 24, 2015, 09:18:15 AM »
« edited: November 24, 2015, 09:24:32 AM by #TheShadowyAbyss »

Obvious hyperbole needed for the title but seriously how far right can he move before the party just says you're too extreme for us?

He applauded supporters of his for attacking a protester.

He wants a database for Muslim Americans

He wants to build a massive wall.

There are tons of other comments as well, just leaving these here.

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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2015, 09:37:56 AM »


...He tried to Build a Wall so they could not break Free...
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2015, 09:38:05 AM »

Next up on Crypto-Fascism with Trump:

CNN: "So you're saying you would consider internment camps for Muslims?"
Trump: "Look, some Muslims want to kill us, so I'm not opposed to the idea."

He's a right-wing populist and will literally say anything to push that xenophobic/islamaphobic tendency to rally more support for himself.
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2015, 09:38:08 AM »

He's a Democratic deep cover operative appropriating fascism to turn voters off to the Republicans.
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2015, 09:58:50 AM »

Obvious hyperbole needed for the title but seriously how far right can he move before the party just says you're too extreme for us?

He applauded supporters of his for attacking a protester.

He wants a database for Muslim Americans

He wants to build a massive wall.

There are tons of other comments as well, just leaving these here.



Yes for these reasons.
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2015, 10:01:46 AM »

Trump is not ready for primetime.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2015, 10:02:12 AM »

Trump's campaign has always been overtly, explicitly fascist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Roger_Griffin
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National rebirth  + populist + ultra-nationalist = Trump's whole campaign.
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2015, 10:16:40 AM »

He's a Democratic deep cover operative appropriating fascism to turn voters off to the Republicans.

The Republicans can turn off voters perfectly well without any help from Trump. With no Trump, candidates like Huckabee the Slaver, malapropism-prone Ben Carson, Ted "persecute religious freedom" Cruz, and Carly "let's start WWIII now" Fiorina would be getting more coverage, to their party's detriment.
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2015, 10:25:34 AM »

Are Atlas Posters turning more desperate with each succeeding post?
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2015, 10:44:21 AM »

Trump isn't a fascist nor is he particularly right-wing by American standards.  He just says what The People want to hear.  And The People happen to be really horrible.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2015, 10:53:05 AM »

He's a Democratic deep cover operative appropriating fascism to turn voters off to the Republicans.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2015, 11:06:48 AM »

Trump's campaign has always been overtly, explicitly fascist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Roger_Griffin
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National rebirth  + populist + ultra-nationalist = Trump's whole campaign.

Well put.
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2015, 11:22:10 AM »

Trump isn't a fascist nor is he particularly right-wing by American standards.  He just says what The People want to hear.  And The People happen to be really horrible.
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2015, 11:29:36 AM »

Yes.  Mussolini is saying in Hell right now "This Donald Trump guy is going too far."
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2015, 12:03:26 PM »

Trump isn't a fascist nor is he particularly right-wing by American standards.  He just says what The People want to hear.  And The People happen to be really horrible.
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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2015, 12:05:28 PM »

Far worse things have been said about Muslims by the Republican Party than what Trump has said.
In 2004-2008 many Republicans called for bombing Mecca.
Also, "fascist" is such a poor insult.  Nobody thinks Trump is going to turn into Mussolini or Hitler, the thought is comical.  It makes Trump's critics sound hysterical and hyperbolic.
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2015, 01:42:14 PM »

Trump is a moderate. You guys have no clue what fascism is.
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2015, 02:41:22 PM »
« Edited: November 24, 2015, 02:46:52 PM by Thersites »

He's most accurately the American equivalent of the anti-immigrant, anti-EU populist parties in Europe, which range from backwards-looking liberal-conservatism (UKIP) to outright neo-Nazism (Golden Dawn). Reaction to the forces of globalisation, post-Great Recession economic stagnation and rapid cultural change are underlying all these movements, but their particular expression is shaped by the national context in which they operate.

Whether or not they are actually fascist programmatically or self-consciously is besides the point, since the fascism of Hitler and Mussolini was also itself a product of a bygone historical period that can't be transplanted to the present. That said, the social base of the NSDAP in the 30's was pretty much exactly the same as what we think of as the typical Tea Partier: the rural lower-middle class with its traditional values squeezed from above by economic crisis. I remember listening to Nigel Farage's speech at CPAC and thinking that his rhetoric was almost exactly identical in substance to that of Hitler's (save "evil big business" in place of "Jewish capitalism"). That absolutely does not mean President Trump would invade Mexico for lebensraum, but that the social forces which produced fascism in the 30's are producing movements again within a contemporary material context.

tl;dr: It's fascism, Jim, but not as we know it.
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« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2015, 03:35:15 PM »

The racially homogeneous Trump supporters are routinely assaulting people with whom they disagree (including high school students and homeless people) and Trump reduces it to people being passionate about "taking the country back" and making it "great again". Sounds like a fascist movement to me.

Oh, and all that stuff about a national database of Muslims...
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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2015, 04:00:06 PM »

you mean the truth. It is well know that there were celebrations after 9-11, including among arabic interpreters at the FBI
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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2015, 04:02:06 PM »

you mean the truth. It is well know that there were celebrations after 9-11, including among arabic interpreters at the FBI

Proof?
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2015, 04:02:49 PM »

bobloblaw did you get more info from Stormfront?
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2015, 04:13:25 PM »

If he could, what could he say next that'd be even more fascist?
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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2015, 04:26:59 PM »

Trump's campaign has always been overtly, explicitly fascist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Roger_Griffin
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National rebirth  + populist + ultra-nationalist = Trump's whole campaign.

Well put.

He may not be planning on sending anyone to the gas chamber when he becomes president, but there is not much significantly different between his campaign and what the Nazi's campaigned on. Name one thing. Its almost as if he took Fascist Campaigns 101.
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2015, 04:29:52 PM »
« Edited: November 24, 2015, 04:32:21 PM by Maxwell »

You might as well cite Obama's campaign as fascist because he ran on populism and nationialism. Or Bill Clinton. Most of our recent Presidential campaigns have centered around appeal to nationialism, almost an insane amount, and a certain level of populist angst.

What the f(R-Michigan)  are you people talking about.
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