Could Marco Rubio be attempting to fulfill the White Horse Prophecy?

[Zioneer]

As a Mormon, all I have to say to Lief is lolno. I think the old-timey use of "Mormanic" is the funniest bit.

[Zioneer]

It isn't as if this is some fantastic conspiracy theory; there's a reason why Mormons have played an outsized role in Presidential politics, it's largely due to their belief that the Constitution is divinely inspired, which fuels the White Horse Prophecy. Whether or not it is official church doctrine is besides the point, when the Constitution is imbued with the language of divine command theory, it's going to drive some bizarre behavior.

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https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1987/10/our-divine-constitution?lang=eng

It's almost as if this isn't bigoted at all but rather a sound assessment of a disturbing faith!

What do you mean by "outsized role"? There's only been a few Mormons who have run for even a chance at one of the two-party tickets (Mo Udall, Orrin Hatch, Jon Huntsman who barely counts as Mormon, and Mitt Romney of course). Joseph Smith ran, but as a kind of protest third-party candidate.

This kind of bigotry is like something Lawrence O'Donnell would say.

EDIT: Though I will give you the "Mormons believe that the Constitution is divinely inspired", because yes, we do. So what?

[Zioneer]

It isn't as if this is some fantastic conspiracy theory; there's a reason why Mormons have played an outsized role in Presidential politics, it's largely due to their belief that the Constitution is divinely inspired, which fuels the White Horse Prophecy. Whether or not it is official church doctrine is besides the point, when the Constitution is imbued with the language of divine command theory, it's going to drive some bizarre behavior.

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https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1987/10/our-divine-constitution?lang=eng

It's almost as if this isn't bigoted at all but rather a sound assessment of a disturbing faith!

What do you mean by "outsized role"? There's only been a few Mormons who have run for even a chance at one of the two-party tickets (Mo Udall, Orrin Hatch, Jon Huntsman who barely counts as Mormon, and Mitt Romney of course). Joseph Smith ran, but as a kind of protest third-party candidate.

This kind of bigotry is like something Lawrence O'Donnell would say.

EDIT: Though I will give you the "Mormons believe that the Constitution is divinely inspired", because yes, we do. So what?

There's nothing "bigoted" about my comments; I'm simply noting that Mormons have played an outsized role in political life in the US, which is to say that they have high levels of civic engagement and, as a result, are over-represented. Obviously, this impacts their role, which is indeed outsized, in Presidential politics. Mormons compose roughly 2% of the US population and they've managed to field a major party nominee and a Senate majority leader. This is very impressive. I'm suggesting that this is for a reason, which can be found in the belief that the Constitution is divinely inspired, which is frankly creepy/unnerving and incredibly inaccurate in a historical sense. I shouldn't have to explain why this is unnerving...

Here's what you and Lief are basically saying: The Mormons are trying to take over the United States (through the presidency), will all this secrecy and preparation, and aaaahhh cults and Mormon Republicans and such.

Come on, guys. As for Mormons having an outsized influence, yeah, it's because they have a strong sense of civic education (though average Mormons aren't that engaged beyond voting and having an opinion, perhaps being delegates and such), and because Mormonism provides a huge network and social safety net, much as how some Jewish organizations also provide both civic experience and safety nets. Would you say that Jewish people have an outsized influence and that that is creepy?

And as for Lief's claim that the Republicans have been infiltrated by Mormons (and it's Mormons with an "o", not an "a", Lief), it's more of the other way around, that Mormons have been infiltrated by Republican thinking.

[Zioneer]

Marco Rubio is Catholic because he was baptized as one and the Catholic Church is like the Hotel California: you can check out but you can never leave.

inb4 BRTD

True dat. My father converted from Catholicism... but it definitely affects you for life.

So does Mormonism, but Rubio says he's now Catholic, so there's no reason to assume he's a "secret Mormon". Heck, he's done all the things that make you a Catholic now, and while he was a Mormon, he was too young for the vast majority of LDS rites besides baptism.

[Zioneer]

Let's dispel with this fiction that the Mormons don't know what they're doing. They know exactly what they're doing.

As a Mormon myself (though not a high-up leader), I would say in all seriousness that they knew what they were doing with Romney, and now they're just in favor of Rubio because lay members seem to like him and because he was a Mormon for like three years. I don't think it's a concentrated effort this time.