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« on: November 26, 2015, 09:30:46 AM »

Literally the best moral philosophy.
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2015, 01:31:58 PM »

Godawful.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2015, 03:28:58 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2015, 05:53:45 PM »


The search for the right thing is better than simply what is the most useful.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2015, 10:49:04 PM »

Better than deontology, that's for sure.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2015, 11:19:07 PM »

Just because something makes people happy, that doesn't make it ethical. HP Philosophy.
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2015, 11:45:11 PM »

I guess that could kind of describe my views, so I'll go FF.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2015, 11:55:24 PM »

Fundamentally flawed regardless of outcome.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2015, 12:55:32 AM »

why doe
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2015, 01:53:38 AM »


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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2015, 03:20:00 AM »
« Edited: November 27, 2015, 03:23:29 AM by traininthedistance »


I don't think that there's much to be learned from treating the two as fundamentally opposed theories, because I'm not convinced that utilitarianism isn't deontological. This is part of what makes utilitarianism downright creepy.

Well, that gets into the distinction between act and rule utilitarianism.  Perhaps "consequentialist" would be a better word.

I'm far from a pure utilitarian– a heavy dose of virtue ethics seems necessary to ward off the reductio ad absurdums that any dogmatic approach inevitably fosters, and help bridge the gaps in our knowledge that will never go away– but IMO if ethics is to be more than a tool for ego-stroking or social control, some concern for empiricism and results and, well, consequences, is vital. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2015, 01:42:26 PM »

Simultaneously vapid and terrifying.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2015, 01:54:08 PM »


I don't think that there's much to be learned from treating the two as fundamentally opposed theories, because I'm not convinced that utilitarianism isn't deontological. This is part of what makes utilitarianism downright creepy.

Well, that gets into the distinction between act and rule utilitarianism.  Perhaps "consequentialist" would be a better word.

I'm far from a pure utilitarian– a heavy dose of virtue ethics seems necessary to ward off the reductio ad absurdums that any dogmatic approach inevitably fosters, and help bridge the gaps in our knowledge that will never go away– but IMO if ethics is to be more than a tool for ego-stroking or social control, some concern for empiricism and results and, well, consequences, is vital. 

I don't think deontology needs to entail complete disregard of consequences. I mean, that'd be a bit silly. Tongue

And I believe rule utilitarianism has gone out of fashion. I do like virtue ethics a bit though.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2015, 02:59:27 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2015, 03:26:14 PM »

literally sounds like something an autistic person would come up with
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2015, 03:27:06 PM »

haha my english final paper back in high school was a glowing defense of utilitarianism. thankfully i now have a different view.
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2015, 03:30:32 PM »

Very mixed.  It makes sense, and there are areas in which utilitarianism would greatly improve public policy, but there's a point when a person shouldn't be treated like just a number.
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2015, 03:38:30 PM »

haha my english final paper back in high school was a glowing defense of utilitarianism. thankfully i now have a different view.
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2015, 03:41:02 PM »

Useful, but does make you sound a bit creepy if you rely on such logic too much.
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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2015, 03:55:04 PM »

Awful
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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2015, 05:00:41 PM »

HP, it leads to so much dysptopic thinking. Kantian ethics are far better.
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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2015, 08:52:55 PM »

Sounds good in theory, but if you apply it to enough situations you eventually run into the "shoot the baby" problem.
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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2015, 10:13:02 PM »

Dreadful.
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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2015, 11:15:36 PM »

So, what are practical logical common sense alternatives to utilitarianism AND WHY Would they be any better? Be specific, and offer concrete examples.
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2015, 09:20:37 PM »

It is a type of consequentialism, of course.
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