NE3: Education Reform Act (debating)

[DemPGH]

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Cost? One thing is, people who are not good at math won't last long.

Health and education are huge interests of mine, so I want to put this out there. It does not have to be final, but a starter. I just want to keep the ball rolling. The only thing I'm really not in agreement with would be vouchers for private schools.

Now, NCAA football is on the rest of the night.

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

Mr. Lt. Gov. is it friendly?

[Blair]

My thoughts on the bill,

+It doesn't actually change the funding of university as the Lt. Gov seems to be saying. This bill doesn't end 'free college for all'
+I'm not too happy to simply give funding to all high achieving STEM students-we cover 10+ states, and considering we already pay for college tuition we can't be giving away an even bigger step up.
+ The funding in the bill may not cover all students
+ General bill needs cleaning up-what's 'blue collar skilled education?

[Clark Kent]

Mr. Lt. Gov. is it friendly?

I'm not sure. I mean, it's definitely related, but I can't help but wonder if Representative DemPGH's amendment wouldn't be better off as a separate bill.

My thoughts on the bill,

+It doesn't actually change the funding of university as the Lt. Gov seems to be saying. This bill doesn't end 'free college for all'
+I'm not too happy to simply give funding to all high achieving STEM students-we cover 10+ states, and considering we already pay for college tuition we can't be giving away an even bigger step up.
+ The funding in the bill may not cover all students
+ General bill needs cleaning up-what's 'blue collar skilled education?

You are correct on the first point. I was not aware that college education was free in the Northeast when I proposed the bill. Would it be better if I added another clause?

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

Mr. Lt. Gov. is it friendly?

I'm not sure. I mean, it's definitely related, but I can't help but wonder if Representative DemPGH's amendment wouldn't be better off as a separate bill.

My thoughts on the bill,

+It doesn't actually change the funding of university as the Lt. Gov seems to be saying. This bill doesn't end 'free college for all'
+I'm not too happy to simply give funding to all high achieving STEM students-we cover 10+ states, and considering we already pay for college tuition we can't be giving away an even bigger step up.
+ The funding in the bill may not cover all students
+ General bill needs cleaning up-what's 'blue collar skilled education?

You are correct on the first point. I was not aware that college education was free in the Northeast when I proposed the bill. Would it be better if I added another clause?

What do you want to do about it?

[Clark Kent]

Mr. Lt. Gov. is it friendly?

I'm not sure. I mean, it's definitely related, but I can't help but wonder if Representative DemPGH's amendment wouldn't be better off as a separate bill.

My thoughts on the bill,

+It doesn't actually change the funding of university as the Lt. Gov seems to be saying. This bill doesn't end 'free college for all'
+I'm not too happy to simply give funding to all high achieving STEM students-we cover 10+ states, and considering we already pay for college tuition we can't be giving away an even bigger step up.
+ The funding in the bill may not cover all students
+ General bill needs cleaning up-what's 'blue collar skilled education?

You are correct on the first point. I was not aware that college education was free in the Northeast when I proposed the bill. Would it be better if I added another clause?

What do you want to do about it?

I'll add something in a few hours. I'm at school right now.

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

Mr. Lt. Gov. is it friendly?

I'm not sure. I mean, it's definitely related, but I can't help but wonder if Representative DemPGH's amendment wouldn't be better off as a separate bill.

My thoughts on the bill,

+It doesn't actually change the funding of university as the Lt. Gov seems to be saying. This bill doesn't end 'free college for all'
+I'm not too happy to simply give funding to all high achieving STEM students-we cover 10+ states, and considering we already pay for college tuition we can't be giving away an even bigger step up.
+ The funding in the bill may not cover all students
+ General bill needs cleaning up-what's 'blue collar skilled education?

You are correct on the first point. I was not aware that college education was free in the Northeast when I proposed the bill. Would it be better if I added another clause?

What do you want to do about it?

I'll add something in a few hours. I'm at school right now.

I'll be only able to respond or intervene by tomorrow morning.

[Clyde1998]

We could always table this bill and reintroduce it.

[DemPGH]

We are getting a lot of cooks in the kitchen at this point. Maybe a do-over would be better? My amendment was sort of with the understanding that college was "free," so I was trying to provide an incentive for students to look more closely at STEM fields.  

If we want to revisit the free issue, I'm willing. If we want to provide incentives for STEM fields, I'm willing. Same for vocational fields.

The only thing I personally can't see myself agreeing to are vouchers for private schools.

[Clyde1998]

The only thing I personally can't see myself agreeing to are vouchers for private schools.

Agreed with this.

[DKrol]

I believe it is time to move to a vote on this.

[DKrol]

Debate has long since ended, and we will now move to a 48 hour vote.

Nay

[Clark Kent]

AYE

[Clyde1998]

Nay

[Enduro]

Aye

[Blair]

which version are we voting on?

[DKrol]

As no amendments were made and accepted or voted upon, we are voting upon the bill as it was introduced.

[DKrol]

With 2 ayes and 2 nays the bill does not pass.

[Clyde1998]

With 2 ayes and 2 nays the bill does not pass.

I believe the Governor could call a referendum on it, should he wish - although I highly doubt that is going to happen with this bill.

[Blair]

The idea of this bill is good, but I'm not going to put it a referendum. Let's rework it