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« on: November 30, 2015, 10:57:30 PM »

If the unlikely happens, and Bernie Sanders is able to get through Congress Single Payer Health Care, Tuition Free College, $15 Minimum Wage, etc. what will Progressives/Leftists rally around? What new causes or laws will they want implemented?
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2015, 11:03:59 PM »

Perhaps more equal distribution of land. This will never occur though so I won't go into more detail. A very though provoking post though. I do wonder what they'll demand.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2015, 11:08:28 PM »

If Sanders gets his agenda through...

 



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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2015, 11:18:56 PM »

The simple answer is that he won't get any of his agenda through, because the obstacle to progressive change is bigger than the election of a president.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2015, 11:21:46 PM »
« Edited: November 30, 2015, 11:32:08 PM by I support Sanders »

In no particular order, once the Sanders coalition succeeds in implementing a $15 minimum wage, Medicare-for-all (including dental and vision), and universal free college education (up to, and including, graduate school):

1.) Amending the Constitution to stipulate that money is not speech and corporations are not people
2.) Raise the marginal income rate to at least 50%
3.) End military involvement overseas
4.) Earned income tax credits
5.) Guaranteed annual income of at least $20,000 a year AND/OR creating a citizens' dividend by redistributing money from natural resources such as coal and oil, as Sarah Palin did in Alaska.
7.) Legalize, tax, and regulate all drugs
8.) Legalize prostitution and gambling
9.) Universal gun background checks and mental health assessments
10.) 2 weeks of mandated paid family leave, and 1 week of mandated PTO (including sick leave and vacation time); make Election Day a national holiday.
11.) Reduce unemployment to <1% by the government acting as the employer of last resort, putting people to work (at competitive wage rates and with good benefits) rebuilding infrastructure, including investing in jobs in solar, wind, hydro/tidal, geothermal, nuclear, and biomass energy, while we slowly reduce dependence on oil and coal.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2015, 11:24:42 PM »

After $15 minimum wage, Medicare-for-all, and universal college education:

1.) Amending the Constitution to stipulate that money is not speech and corporations are not people
2.) Raise the marginal income rate to at least 50%
3.) End military involvement overseas
4.) Earned income tax credits
5.) Guaranteed annual income of at least $20,000 a year
6.) Citizens dividend by redistributing money from natural resources such as coal and oil, as Sarah Palin did in Alaska.

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2015, 12:00:17 AM »
« Edited: December 01, 2015, 12:02:15 AM by Blue3 »

If the unlikely happens, and Bernie Sanders is able to get through Congress Single Payer Health Care, Tuition Free College, $15 Minimum Wage, etc. what will Progressives/Leftists rally around? What new causes or laws will they want implemented?

If Hillary and/or Bernie were able to get the most progressive version of all of their combined plans passed (since Hillary is more progressive on some things than Bernie)... miraculously...


It would be under attack worse than ObamaCare and would need defending.


Honestly, the ultimate purpose of a progressive is to become a conservative.

Get everything implemented, keep it well-defended, and run on keeping things the same from then on.





In no particular order, once the Sanders coalition succeeds in implementing a $15 minimum wage, Medicare-for-all (including dental and vision), and universal free college education (up to, and including, graduate school):

1.) Amending the Constitution to stipulate that money is not speech and corporations are not people
2.) Raise the marginal income rate to at least 50%
3.) End military involvement overseas
4.) Earned income tax credits
5.) Guaranteed annual income of at least $20,000 a year AND/OR creating a citizens' dividend by redistributing money from natural resources such as coal and oil, as Sarah Palin did in Alaska.
7.) Legalize, tax, and regulate all drugs
8.) Legalize prostitution and gambling
9.) Universal gun background checks and mental health assessments
10.) 2 weeks of mandated paid family leave, and 1 week of mandated PTO (including sick leave and vacation time); make Election Day a national holiday.
11.) Reduce unemployment to <1% by the government acting as the employer of last resort, putting people to work (at competitive wage rates and with good benefits) rebuilding infrastructure, including investing in jobs in solar, wind, hydro/tidal, geothermal, nuclear, and biomass energy, while we slowly reduce dependence on oil and coal.
This stuff is either...
1. Already advocated by Sanders and/or Hillary
OR
2. Just socialist for the sake of being socialist, with near-zero support.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2015, 12:07:05 AM »

If the unlikely happens, and Bernie Sanders is able to get through Congress Single Payer Health Care, Tuition Free College, $15 Minimum Wage, etc. what will Progressives/Leftists rally around? What new causes or laws will they want implemented?

If Hillary and/or Bernie were able to get the most progressive version of all of their combined plans passed (since Hillary is more progressive on some things than Bernie)... miraculously...


It would be under attack worse than ObamaCare and would need defending.


Honestly, the ultimate purpose of a progressive is to become a conservative.

Get everything implemented, keep it well-defended, and run on keeping things the same from then on.





In no particular order, once the Sanders coalition succeeds in implementing a $15 minimum wage, Medicare-for-all (including dental and vision), and universal free college education (up to, and including, graduate school):

1.) Amending the Constitution to stipulate that money is not speech and corporations are not people
2.) Raise the marginal income rate to at least 50%
3.) End military involvement overseas
4.) Earned income tax credits
5.) Guaranteed annual income of at least $20,000 a year AND/OR creating a citizens' dividend by redistributing money from natural resources such as coal and oil, as Sarah Palin did in Alaska.
7.) Legalize, tax, and regulate all drugs
8.) Legalize prostitution and gambling
9.) Universal gun background checks and mental health assessments
10.) 2 weeks of mandated paid family leave, and 1 week of mandated PTO (including sick leave and vacation time); make Election Day a national holiday.
11.) Reduce unemployment to <1% by the government acting as the employer of last resort, putting people to work (at competitive wage rates and with good benefits) rebuilding infrastructure, including investing in jobs in solar, wind, hydro/tidal, geothermal, nuclear, and biomass energy, while we slowly reduce dependence on oil and coal.
This stuff is either...
1. Already advocated by Sanders and/or Hillary
OR
2. Just socialist for the sake of being socialist, with near-zero support.
Well, I was just speaking for myself. Clinton advocates points 9 and 10; Bernie advocates most of the rest. Some of the other points were just examples that came to my mind in response to the question.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2015, 12:12:54 AM »

Nothing, cause it won't happen and thank everything it won't.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2015, 12:17:51 AM »

The only thing I can even hope gets done is Infrastructure Spending, and sadly I think Bernie Sanders will not be able to get even that through if he gets elected.
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2015, 12:20:26 AM »

I support Sanders: I know, I was just giving my opinion. Smiley


Like, the second half of point #1 would abolish all corporations and their nonprofit versions too, which won't happen. The first half of point #1 is advocated by both Hillary and Bernie.

#2 is a "depends" situation, depends on how much everything else costs, just raising taxes that high for the sake of it without justifying it won't go anywhere.

#3 is too vague, and the progressive movement is focused on domestic policy, foreign policy is another ballgame.

#4 already exists, but both Bernie and Hillary want to expand it.

#5 would be nice if there's a credible plan on how that would work, but it doesn't seem feasible to me, and might seem too socialist for the sake of being socialist that the public might not support it without a lot of buildup, that would be way down the road.

You skipped #6 Tongue

#7 is advocated by Bernie for marijuana, and Hillary is moving into that direction too, but it happening for all drugs probably won't happen until the mental health and criminal justice reform and addiction therapy ideas they have are put into place, and would need a lot of buildup for the public to get behind.

#8, again, is something you'd need to build-up, and most likely done on a state level, and won't be a top priority for the public.

#9 is already advocated by Sanders, and even more by Hillary.

#10 is already advocated by both of them.

#11 already exists (AmeriCorps) but just needs more funding, and is part of Hillary's plan. Unemployment won't get below 1% though, 2-4% is normal because you want people to feel it's ok to be in transition and looking for a better job, but I agree long-term unemployment should be closer to 1%. Putting long-term unemployed people to work on the more technical jobs, like electrical generation, would take a lot of training and resources, so it's probably best they stick to projects more easily doable without having to put them through the equivalent of an engineering degree.
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2015, 12:22:15 PM »

I wonder if lower education would be at priority? Perhaps moving the US over to a more Scandinavian style education system, scrapping no child left behind?
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2015, 12:25:50 PM »

The simple answer is that he won't get any of his agenda through, because the obstacle to progressive change is bigger than the election of a president.
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2015, 12:34:47 PM »

The simple answer is that he won't get any of his agenda through, because the obstacle to progressive change is bigger than the election of a president.

Which is why we need to elect a Wizard-in-Chief instead of a Commander-in-Chief.
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2015, 01:03:28 PM »

After $15 minimum wage, Medicare-for-all, and universal college education:

1.) Amending the Constitution to stipulate that money is not speech and corporations are not people
2.) Raise the marginal income rate to at least 50%
3.) End military involvement overseas
4.) Earned income tax credits
5.) Guaranteed annual income of at least $20,000 a year
6.) Citizens dividend by redistributing money from natural resources such as coal and oil, as Sarah Palin did in Alaska.



No because the GOP wants more intervention in the middle east, they loveee citizens united and of course keep the mexicans out even though we have a net loss of mexican immigrants currently.
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2015, 03:23:31 PM »

Banning heterosexuality, death panels, revolutionary terror
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2015, 03:44:06 PM »

Banning heterosexuality, death panels, revolutionary terror
He's also signing an executive order banning unpierced nipples.
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2015, 03:46:09 PM »

Banning heterosexuality, death panels, revolutionary terror
He's also signing an executive order banning unpierced nipples.

Mandatory granola!
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2015, 03:51:49 PM »

Eventually, killing anyone who isn't LGBT.
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2015, 03:55:56 PM »


LSD chemtrails
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2015, 04:03:00 PM »

Definitely Snapshot®, but you'll have to ask Flo for all the details.
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2015, 04:07:03 PM »

Definitely Snapshot®, but you'll have to ask Flo for all the details.

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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2015, 04:09:26 PM »

Eventually, killing anyone who isn't LGBT.

That has been on the homosexual agenda for years now. Ever since Massachusetts instituted marriage equality we've only hungered for more.
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2015, 04:39:14 PM »

The scenario is fantastical, but this actually is an interesting question.  In most countries that went substantially social democratic in the early-mid 20th century, once the universal health care/college education/childcare became an accepted part of the status quo, the right (though center-left by American standards) went on to win way more than half of the elections for a long time afterward.  Or there has been a long period of Ike/Monroe style status quo grand coalitions.  So it looks like where the top 5-10 holy grail new entitlements/political reforms have actually happened, there's nothing else around to motivate the left for a long while.

Nothing at all? Interesting. Though I would think leftist parties who implemented significant reforms would stay in power for a few more terms given how popular they would/have been.
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2015, 04:42:46 PM »

I can confirm that the left in the UK have no aims or goals after we got healthcare through. We just sit around and confirm how great we are to each other.
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