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« on: December 01, 2015, 12:05:18 AM »
« edited: December 01, 2015, 12:06:49 AM by Blue3 »

Has Bernie Sanders lost momentum?


It feels to me like he has. I never hear about record-breaking rallies anymore, or upsets in the polling in early primary states. Or any new ideas from him. Or even a continuing, more in-depth discussion of the ideas he's already advocated (like more detail on his single-payer plan and how to pay for it).

Sanders has really disappeared from the national conversation over the last month, it seems.


Which is too bad. I'm voting for Hillary, but I still like him, and I like the debate and discussion he was forcing the Democratic Party (and to some extent the larger country, at least in the political world) to have.
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2015, 12:56:45 AM »

He got 65% in the SC BET forum straw poll, and had a great event with Killer Mike.
As for taxes, Hillary never says how she'll pay for her plans.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2015, 12:57:27 AM »

He's stalled, but I don't think he's gone backwards.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2015, 12:58:50 AM »

He's stalled, but I don't think he's gone backwards.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2015, 12:59:46 AM »

He got 65% in the SC BET forum straw poll, and had a great event with Killer Mike.
As for taxes, Hillary never says how she'll pay for her plans.
A small straw poll doesn't matter.

Hillary has many detailed plans. But people are actually discussing her plans, even if you disagree with them. They're not even asking questions about how Bernie's plans will work.
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2015, 01:04:28 AM »

He got 65% in the SC BET forum straw poll, and had a great event with Killer Mike.
As for taxes, Hillary never says how she'll pay for her plans.
A small straw poll doesn't matter.

Hillary has many detailed plans. But people are actually discussing her plans, even if you disagree with them. They're not even asking questions about how Bernie's plans will work.

Her $275 billion infrastructure plan is damn weak compared to Bernie's $1 trillion. We've been avoiding proper infrastructure spending for decades. Even $1 trillion isn't anywhere enough.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2015, 01:08:41 AM »

He got 65% in the SC BET forum straw poll, and had a great event with Killer Mike.
As for taxes, Hillary never says how she'll pay for her plans.
A small straw poll doesn't matter.

Hillary has many detailed plans. But people are actually discussing her plans, even if you disagree with them. They're not even asking questions about how Bernie's plans will work.

Her $275 billion infrastructure plan is damn weak compared to Bernie's $1 trillion. We've been avoiding proper infrastructure spending for decades. Even $1 trillion isn't anywhere enough.
I agree (though it's a start).

But you're missing the point.

Nobody is talking about Bernie Sanders or his plans. THAT is the point. That's why I'm saying that it seems he lost momentum.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2015, 01:11:30 AM »

He hit his peak awhile ago.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2015, 01:15:31 AM »

He got 65% in the SC BET forum straw poll, and had a great event with Killer Mike.
As for taxes, Hillary never says how she'll pay for her plans.
A small straw poll doesn't matter.

Hillary has many detailed plans. But people are actually discussing her plans, even if you disagree with them. They're not even asking questions about how Bernie's plans will work.

Her $275 billion infrastructure plan is damn weak compared to Bernie's $1 trillion. We've been avoiding proper infrastructure spending for decades. Even $1 trillion isn't anywhere enough.
I agree (though it's a start).

But you're missing the point.

Nobody is talking about Bernie Sanders or his plans. THAT is the point. That's why I'm saying that it seems he lost momentum.

Who do you mean? The corporate media has always given Bernie rather minimal coverage.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2015, 01:40:18 AM »


I think that the shift to foreign policy has halted any gains that he has been making over the last few months. Whether or not the focus stays on foreign affairs remains to be seen, especially with abortion clinics getting shot up.
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2015, 01:50:32 AM »

Bernie's momentum actually stalled (for the most part) in mid to late August. The race only got tighter after that because of the Biden Boomlet following the Dowd column in earlier August.

We are now at a point where Dems know who he is and what he stands for. His name recognition is very high within the party and he has good favorables. He is doing well with some (like liberal whites) and not so well with others (notably non-whites and more moderates and conservative whites). 
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2015, 02:02:20 AM »

At the end of the day, the Democratic Party is not a socialist or social democratic or labor party, no matter how much some of our friends may wish it were. The majority of Democrats are not interested in "political revolutions" and demonizing the rich/major financial institutions and completely remaking the country's institutions in Denmark's image. Sanders was always going to win over the 30% or so of the party that does support all that, especially against a mainstream Democrat like Clinton, but he doesn't have much room to grow.
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2015, 10:02:47 AM »

Sanders seems to have failed to live up to any of the expectations people on the internet had about him back in the summer.
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2015, 10:50:12 AM »

Sanders seems to have failed to live up to any of the expectations people on the internet had about him back in the summer.
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2015, 10:58:22 AM »

At the end of the day, the Democratic Party is not a socialist or social democratic or labor party, no matter how much some of our friends may wish it were. The majority of Democrats are not interested in "political revolutions" and demonizing the rich/major financial institutions and completely remaking the country's institutions in Denmark's image. Sanders was always going to win over the 30% or so of the party that does support all that, especially against a mainstream Democrat like Clinton, but he doesn't have much room to grow.

What he said.
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2015, 11:29:08 AM »

Voters wanted him to be the Uncle Joe Biden that was gonna take it Hilary Clinton. While the Joe Biden momentum left the room with Biden's all but endorsement of Clinton & the email controversy faded, Bernie Sanders too faded, as he saw his leads diminish once Biden dropped out. And Clinton getting all the union endorsements.

He also failed to go beyond his base of young white voters. Latinos & Blks stood behind Clinton as he failed to secure leads in NV & FL. Which makes it more unbelievable on how can he win crucial Colorado if he cant win Latino caucuses in NV & FL.

But, he took a passon the emails during the most important debate.
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2015, 12:08:53 PM »

As has happened throughout the primary so far Sanders has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media. Even his mid-summer 20,000+ rallies were mostly ignored except by a handful of national cable and local papers/cable  outlets. Clinton moved towards Sanders position on the TPP (gold standard Ha!) and Keystone XL pipeline just prior to the first debate and did have an excellent first debate and competent second debate and with Biden exiting gained 70% of his polling numbers. Having  rebounded from her summer doldrums and looks good for the nomination.
Mind you that last line could have be written in 2007 at around about this time when she was over 25 points clear of Obama having similarly bounced back from a summer lull in that year.
Sanders is still running neck and neck with Clinton in New Hampshire and has regained a little lost ground in Iowa since his Ad's started running a few weeks ago. Nationally his momentum may appear to have stalled but he's still on an upward trajectory (as is Clinton). The key to the first primary of New Hampshire  and Iowa  Caucus is turnout. If the Sanders ground crew can get the young and independent (with which he polls well) out on the night, then he could yet surprise in those first two contests.
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2015, 12:19:49 PM »


If you mean his peak in the polls, I think it's hard to make that pronouncement at this point. He's been zigzagging for the past few months, in a general upward direction. Currently he's going down but not to the point where it's clear his time is over.

However, Hillary has also been rising in the polls, partly due to undecided voters, and partly due to Biden not running. Sanders was never going to win the nomination anyway, but this has hurt his chances in Iowa and New Hampshire, especially Iowa.

There's a weird situation going on where all three candidates have been on a generally upward path for the past month.
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2015, 01:16:49 PM »

He was moving up in polls and Biden starting thinking about running. The lost momentum gave Hilary time to recover, in time for Benghazi hearings
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2015, 04:28:13 PM »

Prediction: Hillary is either under 50 or or Sanders is under 30 by January 1.

I voted no, as he's been stalled and is gaining.
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2015, 05:03:04 PM »

Am I the only one that thought momentum means accelerating to close the gap? Because by people's posts in this threads, we seem to have vastly different understandings of the word.
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2015, 06:04:18 PM »

Clearly
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2015, 08:28:26 PM »

Focus on foreign policy is hurting him badly.
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2015, 10:57:10 PM »

Am I the only one that thought momentum means accelerating to close the gap? Because by people's posts in this threads, we seem to have vastly different understandings of the word.
Yeah, a lot of people don't seem to get that, not just in this thread.

That's what I meant too. His support has plateaued. It's not growing anymore.



And yes, Sanders WAS getting lots and lots of media attention. But when he stopped making news, it stopped. No bias there. Sanders just hasn't been making news.
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2015, 12:21:01 AM »

I'm not sure what media outlets anyone here is referring to, but the only time I have heard the mainstream talk about the Democratic race in any way was around the time of the two debates, and in the summer when speculation was high that Biden would soon enter the race. Every mainstream news organization I see (including MSNBC) focus nearly entirely on Donald Trump and the Republican race in general. Certainly, Clinton's name has been invoked more often than Sanders' when the media discusses either, but the GOP has the media locked down, and this probably won't change until the next Democratic debate. Biden decided against a run in October, and foreign policy overtook domestic policy in November. Sanders and O'Malley both are moving up, as is Clinton. Momentum has not stalled.
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