2004: President Al Gore (D) vs Rudolph Giuliani (R)

[Stan]

2000: Al Gore defeats George W. Bush in presidential elections.
2004: Giuliani wins GOP Primaries.

Who wins? Discuss with maps!

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

(if 9/11 doesn't happen due to low name recognition)

President Al Gore/Vice President Joe Lieberman 344 Electoral Votes 52.4%
Mayor Rudy Giuliani/Senator John McCain 194 Electoral Votes 45.7%

(if 9/11 does happen which I highly doubt under Gore (GOP would bet everything on this year))

After most of the GOP's money is spent, Giuliani wins a close victory over President Gore after the 9/11 attacks and was 3 points away from winning his home state.

Mayor Rudy Giuliani/Senator John McCain 286 Electoral Votes 49.7%
President Al Gore/Senator Joe Lieberman 252 Electoral Votes 49.6%

[Kingpoleon]

336: Mayor Rudy Giuliani(R-NY)/Sen. Norm Coleman(R-MN) - 48.5%
202: Pres. Albert Gore(D-TE)/Gov. Howard Dean(D-VT) - 46.2%
000: Rep. Ron Paul(Reform/Liberty-Green-TX)/Ralph Nader(Reform/L-G-CT) - 5.0%
Other: 0.2%

Joe Lieberman asked not to be nominated again, as he had been nearly assassinated on 9/11 and had suffered a very severe flu virus in November of 2003. Instead, the progressive Howard Dean was nominated. Many libertarian Democrats voted for the Reform ticket, as did many libertarian Republicans and standard Green Party voters.

[NeverAgain]

336: Mayor Rudy Giuliani(R-NY)/Sen. Norm Coleman(R-MN) - 48.5%
202: Pres. Albert Gore(D-TE)/Gov. Howard Dean(D-VT) - 46.2%
000: Rep. Ron Paul(Reform/Liberty-Green-TX)/Ralph Nader(Reform/L-G-CT) - 5.0%
Other: 0.2%

Joe Lieberman asked not to be nominated again, as he had been nearly assassinated on 9/11 and had suffered a very severe flu virus in November of 2003. Instead, the progressive Howard Dean was nominated. Many libertarian Democrats voted for the Reform ticket, as did many libertarian Republicans and standard Green Party voters.

No way would a sitting President Gore lose by that margin, even with spoilers...

[Sir Mohamed]

Gore would have won and would have saved us from W.

President Al Gore (D-TN)/Vice President Joe Liberman (D-CT): 323 EV. (51.9%)
Mayor Rudy Guiliani (R-NY)/Senator John McCain (R-AZ): 215 EV. (47.0%)

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Gore would win OHio & NM for 273 electors over Guliani

[Clark Kent]

336: Mayor Rudy Giuliani(R-NY)/Sen. Norm Coleman(R-MN) - 48.5%
202: Pres. Albert Gore(D-TE)/Gov. Howard Dean(D-VT) - 46.2%
000: Rep. Ron Paul(Reform/Liberty-Green-TX)/Ralph Nader(Reform/L-G-CT) - 5.0%
Other: 0.2%

Joe Lieberman asked not to be nominated again, as he had been nearly assassinated on 9/11 and had suffered a very severe flu virus in November of 2003. Instead, the progressive Howard Dean was nominated. Many libertarian Democrats voted for the Reform ticket, as did many libertarian Republicans and standard Green Party voters.

No way would a sitting President Gore lose by that margin, even with spoilers...

That is a 2.3% margin, not that large.

[President Johnson]

(if 9/11 doesn't happen due to low name recognition)

President Al Gore/Vice President Joe Lieberman 344 Electoral Votes 52.4%
Mayor Rudy Giuliani/Senator John McCain 194 Electoral Votes 45.7%

(if 9/11 does happen which I highly doubt under Gore (GOP would bet everything on this year))

After most of the GOP's money is spent, Giuliani wins a close victory over President Gore after the 9/11 attacks and was 3 points away from winning his home state.

Mayor Rudy Giuliani/Senator John McCain 286 Electoral Votes 49.7%
President Al Gore/Senator Joe Lieberman 252 Electoral Votes 49.6%

Likely this without Arkansas.

[Higgs]

(if 9/11 doesn't happen due to low name recognition)

President Al Gore/Vice President Joe Lieberman 344 Electoral Votes 52.4%
Mayor Rudy Giuliani/Senator John McCain 194 Electoral Votes 45.7%

(if 9/11 does happen which I highly doubt under Gore (GOP would bet everything on this year))

After most of the GOP's money is spent, Giuliani wins a close victory over President Gore after the 9/11 attacks and was 3 points away from winning his home state.

Mayor Rudy Giuliani/Senator John McCain 286 Electoral Votes 49.7%
President Al Gore/Senator Joe Lieberman 252 Electoral Votes 49.6%

Wtf why wouldn't 9/11 happen under Gore

[NeverAgain]

336: Mayor Rudy Giuliani(R-NY)/Sen. Norm Coleman(R-MN) - 48.5%
202: Pres. Albert Gore(D-TE)/Gov. Howard Dean(D-VT) - 46.2%
000: Rep. Ron Paul(Reform/Liberty-Green-TX)/Ralph Nader(Reform/L-G-CT) - 5.0%
Other: 0.2%

Joe Lieberman asked not to be nominated again, as he had been nearly assassinated on 9/11 and had suffered a very severe flu virus in November of 2003. Instead, the progressive Howard Dean was nominated. Many libertarian Democrats voted for the Reform ticket, as did many libertarian Republicans and standard Green Party voters.

No way would a sitting President Gore lose by that margin, even with spoilers...

That is a 2.3% margin, not that large.

The electoral is though, and having a libertarian Ralph Nader running taking up 5% would not make it that large of a landslide.

[Adam Griffin]

Gore would have turned into a defense/terrorism freak just like Bush, but there's no way without the influence of the Bush legacy and Cheney that we would have went into Iraq. Literally the only reason the 2004 election was close was because of Iraq. Gore wins. I'm sure Guiliani and the GOP would have driven the narrative consistently that "Democrats are weak on terrorism: one President let Bin Laden get away and other one failed to stop him here at home", but I can't imagine the margin at worst would have been any closer for Gore than it was for Bush in 2004.

[Hillary pays minimum wage]

Everyday when I wake up, the first thing I do is thank God that Gore didn't win in 2000 making him president for 9/11.

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

(if 9/11 doesn't happen due to low name recognition)

President Al Gore/Vice President Joe Lieberman 344 Electoral Votes 52.4%
Mayor Rudy Giuliani/Senator John McCain 194 Electoral Votes 45.7%

(if 9/11 does happen which I highly doubt under Gore (GOP would bet everything on this year))

After most of the GOP's money is spent, Giuliani wins a close victory over President Gore after the 9/11 attacks and was 3 points away from winning his home state.

Mayor Rudy Giuliani/Senator John McCain 286 Electoral Votes 49.7%
President Al Gore/Senator Joe Lieberman 252 Electoral Votes 49.6%

Wtf why wouldn't 9/11 happen under Gore

I remember something saying Gore would have checked the paper hey got before it happened when Dubya didn't so I doubt it would happen but it still could.

[Slow Learner]

Giuliani wins narrowly.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Many Republicans lack a basic respect for the office of the Presidency when a Democrat is in charge. I have a tough time seeing them rally around the flag under President Gore. There would hysterical calls for him to be impeached for not stopping the attack. Gore would certainly not be enjoying 90 % approval ratings in the immediate aftermath, like Bush did. Gore would have a tough fight on his hands.

[Higgs]

(if 9/11 doesn't happen due to low name recognition)

President Al Gore/Vice President Joe Lieberman 344 Electoral Votes 52.4%
Mayor Rudy Giuliani/Senator John McCain 194 Electoral Votes 45.7%

(if 9/11 does happen which I highly doubt under Gore (GOP would bet everything on this year))

After most of the GOP's money is spent, Giuliani wins a close victory over President Gore after the 9/11 attacks and was 3 points away from winning his home state.

Mayor Rudy Giuliani/Senator John McCain 286 Electoral Votes 49.7%
President Al Gore/Senator Joe Lieberman 252 Electoral Votes 49.6%

Wtf why wouldn't 9/11 happen under Gore

I remember something saying Gore would have checked the paper hey got before it happened when Dubya didn't so I doubt it would happen but it still could.

Lol no Al Gore would not have prevented 9/11

[NeverAgain]

I did about 10 games of it on PF 2016 and averaged the results.

[Californiadreaming]

2000: Al Gore defeats George W. Bush in presidential elections.
2004: Giuliani wins GOP Primaries.

Who wins? Discuss with maps!

Are you going to tell us whether or not 9/11 still occurs in this scenario? Or is it up to us to determine this?