Trump spokeswoman: "So what?" on keeping muslims out.

[madelka]

In general Trump has the worst surrogates and spokespeople on cable. Not only do they seem to be loathsome people but they don't do a good job of staying on message. It is another sign of how slapdash his whole campaign is. But like having minimal ground game and almost no advertising it doesn't seem to hurt him.

More anti-Trump garbage from this site's moderators. Trump has a very good ground game, as has been repeatedly reported on in the media over the past few months, and can be objectively evidenced by the ease and speed which he has qualified for primary ballots.

No offence, Lief, because I like you and stuff...

But we're reaching a point where the ironic Trump support is untenable. He was a bigot before, but it wasn't exactly making its way into policy. He's crossed a line with his Muslim ban, and to still support him is to kind of be complicit in that. It's not funny anymore—just scary.

The majority of the Republican party agrees with Trump on most of what he says, and he's leading the nomination.  Its reality

And that's not something to be proud of.  It's disgusting.  Racists and bigots should have no place in this party.

So 2/3 of the party should be kicked out overnight?

Okay, why do you have a blue avatar then? Oh, I see, you're a COOL HIGH ENERGY Trump troll!

[RINO Tom]

There used to be a good excuse, Rocky. Back when both parties weren't really coherent units but vast sprawling networks of various regional machines and traditions, one could effectively claim that you don't represent Nasty Faction A of the party because it wasn't really yours. Not anymore. Both parties have rapidly unified around a set of ideologies diametrically opposed to each other. Ideologically there's little difference between Clinton and Sanders, Trump and Kasich. It's all stylistic, the differences nowadays.

The "moderate wing" have accidentally become the equivalent of Von Papen and Schleicher

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

As for the comment two above mine, I find it incredibly relevant.  The idea that you must vote for a party that you largely don't agree with on many issues (say, defense, taxes and abortion) just to avoid being associated with racists?  That is literally a campaign ad for Democrats and void of critical thinking.  If you want to lump tens of millions of people together, believing them all to have the exact same views on everything, fine; but yeah, it IS stupid.  You are a (de facto) Democrat, we get it ... I wouldn't expect you to be saying anything different.  I guess all I can really say at the end of the day, is just know we don't care what some anonymous poster on the internet thinks about the party we register with.

[RINO Tom]

I don't get why he went onto a weird tangent about FDR and JFK anyway, I was talking about what happened recently where one party unequivocally goes towards bigotry and fundamentalism. A far cry from the internal divisions the democrats experienced in the 60's.

When FDR was President, the Democratic Party was unequivocally behind systematic racism, save for a few outliers.  It's ridiculously relevant, if inconvenient for your argument.  People can have several convictions, and I maintain that normal thinking people don't agree with one party platform 100% of the time.  I also believe that it is more valuable to have good people in both parties in the longrun, when it comes to issues of race and civil rights.

[Asian Nazi]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Well yeah it's ridiculous that people vote Collins (and vice versa when conservatives vote for people like Manchin). The Senate and House are a) entirely majoritarian and b) wrapped around two parties. If you elect someone because they speak on a nice voice and have a nice haircut fine, while ignoring the consequence s of that vote, its ridiculous. Partisan affiliation is more important than a legislator having an agreeable temperament. (I guess the only respect it makes sense to vote across party boundaries is that your legislator is unusually good at extracting bribes and pork from Washington)

[RINO Tom]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

[IceSpear]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

Why not just register as an independent then? The GOP's insane streak speaks for itself, and I can kind of understand being hesitant to affiliate with the Democrats either now that a socialist is doing pretty well in the polls, but I don't see the point of maintaining any loyalty to the GOP when they're clearly far away from you on so many issues. Unless it's just to vote in closed primaries or something.

[Edu]

When FDR was President, the Democratic Party was unequivocally behind systematic racism, save for a few outliers.  It's ridiculously relevant, if inconvenient for your argument.  People can have several convictions, and I maintain that normal thinking people don't agree with one party platform 100% of the time.  I also believe that it is more valuable to have good people in both parties in the longrun, when it comes to issues of race and civil rights.

What I found is that blacks outside of the south started overwhelmingly voting for the democrats in 1932 or 36 and as far as I know the New Deal coalition included minorities.

I actually think this helps my argument since in the 1930's instead of continuing on a path of bigotry and insanity like the GOP is doing now started on a path of getting the minorities to vote for them.

I'm also interested in something Rocky said earlier about the moderates being "scared off". What does this even mean? That you were the majority and all of a sudden out of thin air a bunch of extremist took over and you just couldn't help but feeling surprised?

It sounds that what we are critizising here is precisely that, to destroy Obama and gain political advantage you let the crazies do whatever they wanted. sure, some politicians said some quiet words of complaint when major figures in the party talked about death panels, or about the birth certificate being phony or about Obama bowing and apologising to THE MOSLEMS and other assorted  fearmongering, but in general terms your party went along with it, funded that kind of speech and incentivized it all to gain political advantages.

Now moderates were "scared off", seems to me like they rode the wave to get a bit of power and now it's starting to backfire.


And yeah, we are not talking about minor disagreements whitin your party like marihuana policy or some sh**t in which case I would tell you to keep voting the way you do, who cares? but this seems to be a little more important and horrible than that.

If you guys are so worried vote third party, or vote democrat, or don't vote or form your own party, but if you keep voting for the terrible party you are going to be called on it.

[Asian Nazi]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

"I hate poor people so much that I will vote for a party of racist conspiracy theorists." -Atlas Moderate Hero Republicans

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I don't get why he went onto a weird tangent about FDR and JFK anyway, I was talking about what happened recently where one party unequivocally goes towards bigotry and fundamentalism. A far cry from the internal divisions the democrats experienced in the 60's.

When FDR was President, the Democratic Party was unequivocally behind systematic racism, save for a few outliers.  It's ridiculously relevant, if inconvenient for your argument.  People can have several convictions, and I maintain that normal thinking people don't agree with one party platform 100% of the time.  I also believe that it is more valuable to have good people in both parties in the longrun, when it comes to issues of race and civil rights.

FDR was president in 1933. If you're proposing sending Trump back to 1933, via high-speed rocket or dropping him into a particle accelerator or something, I'm in wholehearted agreement.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

"I hate poor people so much that I will vote for a party of racist conspiracy theorists." -Atlas Moderate Hero Republicans

^^^
This.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

"I hate poor people so much that I will vote for a party of racist conspiracy theorists." -Atlas Moderate Hero Republicans

^^^
This.

More like "I have some sane economic leanings" unlike the absurd leftists living fairy tale land.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

"I hate poor people so much that I will vote for a party of racist conspiracy theorists." -Atlas Moderate Hero Republicans

^^^
This.

More like "I have some sane economic leanings" unlike the absurd leftists living fairy tale land.

You are in a party with Bigots and Racists. How is that sane?

[pbrower2a]

In general Trump has the worst surrogates and spokespeople on cable. Not only do they seem to be loathsome people but they don't do a good job of staying on message. It is another sign of how slapdash his whole campaign is. But like having minimal ground game and almost no advertising it doesn't seem to hurt him.

More anti-Trump garbage from this site's moderators. Trump has a very good ground game, as has been repeatedly reported on in the media over the past few months, and can be objectively evidenced by the ease and speed which he has qualified for primary ballots.

Our First President has much to say about religious freedom and the equal treatment of people irrespective of their beliefs:

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That was specifically about Jews -- but Muslims are also in theology of the "stock of Abraham". 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The reason why the base is so extreme, is because so many people have left, removing the diversity that would have kept the newer voters (converts in the last few decades in the South) and that ancestrally nativist element from dominating what remained.

When you have a two pole system and one side takes a uniform position on an issue, those opposed will gravitate to the other side. The establishment gave us Trump by going so uniformly in favor of immigration positions the majority of the Party opposes after Romney lost. It ensured that whoever captured that energy would be outside of and hostile towards that establishment.

[publicunofficial]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

"I hate poor people so much that I will vote for a party of racist conspiracy theorists." -Atlas Moderate Hero Republicans

That's not fair. It's more like "I am willing to allow any and every minority group to have their rights trampled if it means having to pay less in taxes."

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

It's just sickening... I can't say much more.

[Adam Griffin]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

"I hate poor people so much that I will vote for a party of racist conspiracy theorists." -Atlas Moderate Hero Republicans

^^^
This.

More like "I have some sane economic leanings" unlike the absurd leftists living fairy tale land.

You are in a party with Bigots and Racists. How is that sane?

They've always valued their pocketbooks over the lives of poor and disenfranchised people: that's literally the one common denominator of the GOP going back to the beginning (minus those first 15 years or so where they were radical socialists). You can't get mad at them for consistency!

[Rockefeller GOP]

LOL at calling the GOP's first 15 years "radical socialism."  If you're going to trash all Republicans who believe in pro-business philosophies and the concept of economic individualism and upward mobility, you're bringing down Lincoln, too.

Also, yeah, there are literally no racist or bigoted Democrats.  None!  If there were, of course, that'd make every Democrat a racist and bigot.  Yeah, I don't believe that higher taxes and increased regulation will help anyone.  At all.  I guess that now makes me a racist according to you psychos.

If you're the poor people we're discussing, then yeah I literally don't care.

[RINO Tom]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

"I hate poor people so much that I will vote for a party of racist conspiracy theorists." -Atlas Moderate Hero Republicans

"I love poor people, unless their livelihoods conflict with my crusade for environmentalism; if that's the case, f^ck 'em!"  Politics are more complicated than you guys are making them out to be, and if you can't even fathom that someone could be well-intentioned and informed yet have a different solution for a problem, this isn't a conversation worth having.  You've made it clear in your posts that you think all Republicans are evil by the very nature of the R next to their name, and I'm content with letting you continue to believe that.  Whateva.

[Likely Voter]

Another example of how Trump spokespeople are horrible people...

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[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP.  

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

"I hate poor people so much that I will vote for a party of racist conspiracy theorists." -Atlas Moderate Hero Republicans

^^^
This.

More like "I have some sane economic leanings" unlike the absurd leftists living fairy tale land.

You are in a party with Bigots and Racists. How is that sane?

They've always valued their pocketbooks over the lives of poor and disenfranchised people: that's literally the one common denominator of the GOP going back to the beginning (minus those first 15 years or so where they were radical socialists). You can't get mad at them for consistency!

You keep viewing it as a greed thing. While I am not personally economically conservative, many do view those policies as great for society-at-large, and I can count the number of people here on one hand that could give a very coherent argument for or against that. I'm basically with you on those issues (or maybe not quite as far? I don't know you're exact standing), but dudeabides did have one good contribution in favor of his view, and that was the opinion that the Bush tax cuts actually increased federal receipts when the economy grew. Tough point to argue (except when you look at the many other benefits of our side that I have called him out on). But saying it in terms of greed forces disgusting liberal groupthink on a very intricate issue.

[Tender Branson]

S.E. Cupp is hot.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

"I hate poor people so much that I will vote for a party of racist conspiracy theorists." -Atlas Moderate Hero Republicans

^^^
This.

More like "I have some sane economic leanings" unlike the absurd leftists living fairy tale land.

You are in a party with Bigots and Racists. How is that sane?

They've always valued their pocketbooks over the lives of poor and disenfranchised people: that's literally the one common denominator of the GOP going back to the beginning (minus those first 15 years or so where they were radical socialists). You can't get mad at them for consistency!

Leave it to Griffin to be the one person in this thread who would make me want to defend the GOP.

For my part, I can no longer associate with the racism and bigotry, but I can still see why there would be reasons for "sane" people to want to support a Republican so long as they admit that it's not ideal.

[Adam Griffin]

You keep viewing it as a greed thing. While I am not personally economically conservative, many do view those policies as great for society-at-large, and I can count the number of people here on one hand that could give a very coherent argument for or against that. I'm basically with you on those issues (or maybe not quite as far? I don't know you're exact standing), but dudeabides did have one good contribution in favor of his view, and that was the opinion that the Bush tax cuts actually increased federal receipts when the economy grew. Tough point to argue (except when you look at the many other benefits of our side that I have called him out on). But saying it in terms of greed forces disgusting liberal groupthink on a very intricate issue.

This makes no sense from the perspective of trying to make a point. Basically what you're saying is "we made a tax policy change in the wake of a very mild recession, and after the dust settled from both of those events, our receipts resumed nominal growth alongside the growth of the economy for 3 or 4 years until the economy imploded", because that's what happened. So? It's not as if the Bush Tax Cuts were going to force nominal receipts to permanently decline. Of course federal receipts were going to increase once again once the economy grew, tax cuts or not.



As for the rest of it: I stand by my statement, but I'll be damned if I don't feel like writing multiple paragraphs right now on it that nobody will read, so I'll just tap out for now.