Bush Condemns S. Korea Stem Cell Advances

[Ebowed]

I agree, and I believe that stem cell research should only be performed on stem cells that do not use embryonic sources or cloning.

Agreed

[Nation]

Can't say I agree with Bush here. I've always been a supporter of stem cell research, and was one of the reasons I voted for Kerry.

[A18]

So spend your own money on it

[Beet]

Research just moves over to the states. Thankfully this is one area where the states have some sovereignty.

[The Duke]

While I support stem cell research, I don't support cloning to get the cells, and so in the end I sort of agree with the President.  Given the vast quantities of embryos in fertility clinics, it is morbid and unnecessary to clone to get cells.

[MissCatholic]

We have to make the debate science vs Religion to show how far right the republicans are becoming.

Darwins banning in Kansas is a case that can highlight it. Catholics, moderate protestants, muslims atheists all recognise that darwins theory is a theory and is valid in the classroom.

Stem-cell research is another case where the dems can make progress. we need to get it on state ballots.

[Blue Rectangle]

Religion has always been a threat to scientific progress.

That's an odd statement, considering that the only scientists for about 1000 years in Europe were monks.  Also, most all of the scientific work by the classical philosophers would have been lost, were it not for the Church during the Dark Ages.

[Brandon H]

I completely support adult stem cell research which has made lots of progress over the past few years and is completely ethical. Embryonic Stem Cell Research and Cloning are very immoral and dangerous. It's messing with things were not meant to be messed with.

Christopher Reeves was used by the Hollywood Left and the Extremists in the Democratic Party who are trying to take over this country and force the lack of morality and responsiblity on all of us. Remember John Kerry saying if he was President, he would have allowed Christopher Reeves to get up and walk.

[riceowl]

"...when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again."
-John Edwards, 10.2004

What a douche.

[Beet]

Religion has always been a threat to scientific progress.

That's an odd statement, considering that the only scientists for about 1000 years in Europe were monks.

Yeah, and looked what they accomplished in those 1000 years (400-1400).

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If they were so smart, why was their main task to preserve others' work?

[beowulf]

thefactor, would you have thought back then to preserve old documents?  Would you have realized their value?

[Blue Rectangle]

Religion has always been a threat to scientific progress.

That's an odd statement, considering that the only scientists for about 1000 years in Europe were monks.

Yeah, and looked what they accomplished in those 1000 years (400-1400).

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If they were so smart, why was their main task to preserve others' work?

Well it's not like the secular community was doing much to advance science or to even preserve the classical knowledge.  The rise of universities was mostly due to the clergy and it was they that advanced philosophy and medicine during the middle ages.

The idea that religion is the enemy of science is a very recent historical revision.  Those that complain today about Columbus and Galileo facing opposition from the Church conveniently forget (or simply do not know) that those discoverers faced opposition not because they contradicted Church theological dogma, but because they contradicted the classical theories of Pagan philosophers and scientists whose writings were protected and revered by the clergy.  The true conflict was between accepted scientific beliefs and new ideas, but the anti-religious folks have revised the conflict to be between dogmatic anti-science clergy and free-thinking intelligent humanists.  It is this revisionist history that leads to silly, blanket generalizations such as religion being the enemy of science.

[Beet]

thefactor, would you have thought back then to preserve old documents?  Would you have realized their value?

Heck, I still have my Calculus text book from 4 years ago. Of course.