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Torie
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« on: December 16, 2015, 12:09:47 AM »

Yes,, Trump is right on this, at least as to the invasion in Iraq, and mission creep in Afghanistan. Perhaps there would be some merit in electing him POTUS if the year were 2000. But it isn't 2000. It's now.
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Torie
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2015, 08:46:01 AM »

Yes,, Trump is right on this, at least as to the invasion in Iraq, and mission creep in Afghanistan. Perhaps there would be some merit in electing him POTUS if the year were 2000. But it isn't 2000. It's now.

You meant in 2004?

No 2000. After the invasion of Iraq, the Genie was out of the bottle. As Colin Powell said, once you break it, you own it. And we have "owned" the ensuing civil war in Iraq,  which goes hot and cold, but never ends, ever since. It was one of the most disastrous decisions ever made by a President.
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Torie
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2015, 09:06:13 AM »
« Edited: December 16, 2015, 09:10:35 AM by Torie »

Yes,, Trump is right on this, at least as to the invasion in Iraq, and mission creep in Afghanistan. Perhaps there would be some merit in electing him POTUS if the year were 2000. But it isn't 2000. It's now.

You meant in 2004?

No 2000. After the invasion of Iraq, the Genie was out of the bottle. As Colin Powell said, once you break it, you own it. And we have "owned" the ensuing civil war in Iraq,  which goes hot and cold, but never ends, ever since. It was one of the most disastrous decisions ever made by a President.

Well, either way, with regard to Trump, he never actually publicly opposed the Iraq War (or commented on it one way or the other) until 2004, so it's unclear what he actually would have done with regard to the country had he been elected president in 2000.  Given that he publicly floated the idea of naming John McCain as his SecDef during his aborted 2000 presidential campaign trial balloon period, he may well have had a rather "neocon-y" foreign policy back then.  Who knows?  Tongue


OK, then he should not have been elected then. That's a relief! Smiley  Trump claims however that he opposed the invasion at the time the decision was made, implying that he said so publicly. Someone should have called him on that. Relying on hindsight to claim insight doesn't cut it.
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Torie
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2015, 08:35:21 AM »

Let's also be 100% serious for a moment.

It won't be very long, once this strange Christmas silly-season obsession with Muslims, before the GOP turn their focus on gay Americans yet again. If one of these Republican zealots becomes President, myself and my husband want it to be Trump. Because there are two (Carson and Cruz) legit, for the first time, not just evangelical but Christian dominionists who have a shot at this thing. And that scares the sh-t out of us.

No POTUS is going to have the power to reverse SSM. I doubt any would even push for that. No Justice will be confirmed who would seem likely vote to reverse the SCOTUS decision either.
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