DNC software breach gave Sanders campaign confidential Clinton Data

[Holmes]

Based on what has been written the poor staffer was accessing the Sanders campaign data when he suddenly had access to the Clinton campaign data. The staffer then contacted the vendor to tell them there was an error. For his good work in reporting the error which was in no way their fault they got fired. Seems rather unfair, especially if this is an ongoing issue with the data and its access.

There might be more to it like evidence that the staffer saved all of the data before reporting its access, or maybe the staffer was deliberately trying to access Clinton campaign data and managed too on this occasion.

And I am not sure it is possible to prove you have deleted data completely.

No good deed goes unpunished. And it's awfully convenient that the campaign that reported the problem gets punished while the DNC's chosen candidate still has access, and likely could have accessed Bernie's files, but never reported it.

The DNC has done enough sh**t to Bernie, he needs to start threatening to run as an independent if they don't treat him with some minimal respect.

You're getting flustered over something that you made up in your mind. You don't know whether the Clinton campaign accessed Sanders' data so don't get all worked up thinking about the possibility that they might have. It makes you seem childish.

Besides, I doubt the Sanders campaign has anything that Obama's database and the info that his former campaign staff didn't already have access to anyway.

[Holmes]

Based on what has been written the poor staffer was accessing the Sanders campaign data when he suddenly had access to the Clinton campaign data. The staffer then contacted the vendor to tell them there was an error. For his good work in reporting the error which was in no way their fault they got fired. Seems rather unfair, especially if this is an ongoing issue with the data and its access.

There might be more to it like evidence that the staffer saved all of the data before reporting its access, or maybe the staffer was deliberately trying to access Clinton campaign data and managed too on this occasion.

And I am not sure it is possible to prove you have deleted data completely.

No good deed goes unpunished. And it's awfully convenient that the campaign that reported the problem gets punished while the DNC's chosen candidate still has access, and likely could have accessed Bernie's files, but never reported it.

The DNC has done enough sh**t to Bernie, he needs to start threatening to run as an independent if they don't treat him with some minimal respect.

You're getting flustered over something that you made up in your mind. You don't know whether the Clinton campaign accessed Sanders' data so don't get all worked up thinking about the possibility that they might have. It makes you seem childish.

Clinton has always had the establishment in her back pocket. They know Sanders is no good news for them even though he has just reached 2 million in single donations which is beating Obama's record...but shhhh hes a socialist shhh...

Nothing in this post is pertinent to what I just said or anything else in this thread.

[Holmes]

Based on what has been written the poor staffer was accessing the Sanders campaign data when he suddenly had access to the Clinton campaign data. The staffer then contacted the vendor to tell them there was an error. For his good work in reporting the error which was in no way their fault they got fired. Seems rather unfair, especially if this is an ongoing issue with the data and its access.

There might be more to it like evidence that the staffer saved all of the data before reporting its access, or maybe the staffer was deliberately trying to access Clinton campaign data and managed too on this occasion.

And I am not sure it is possible to prove you have deleted data completely.

No good deed goes unpunished. And it's awfully convenient that the campaign that reported the problem gets punished while the DNC's chosen candidate still has access, and likely could have accessed Bernie's files, but never reported it.

The DNC has done enough sh**t to Bernie, he needs to start threatening to run as an independent if they don't treat him with some minimal respect.

You're getting flustered over something that you made up in your mind. You don't know whether the Clinton campaign accessed Sanders' data so don't get all worked up thinking about the possibility that they might have. It makes you seem childish.

Clinton has always had the establishment in her back pocket. They know Sanders is no good news for them even though he has just reached 2 million in single donations which is beating Obama's record...but shhhh hes a socialist shhh...

Nothing in this post is pertinent to what I just said or anything else in this thread.

[Holmes]

If this data breach was observed by the Sanders campaign in such a short window of time, then it's very likely that the Clinton campaign also observed the issue as well - which means they saw Sanders' data. Somebody in Clinton's campaign likely made the judgement call that they had more to gain by seeing Sanders' data than to lose by Sanders' campaign potentially seeing theirs. Let's also remember that this wasn't the first time that a problem like this occurred, and it was Sanders' campaign that reported it then (and didn't leak it to the media like the DNC obviously did).

You're falling into the same trap jfern did, getting angry at Clinton for something you made up in your mind. I don't disagree with what you said prior to this but then you fall into fanfiction land here.

[Holmes]

Wow Tender's deranged hatred of Hillary really has consumed his critical thinking faculties. Sad!

He has never had critical thinking faculties. I wonder if this is a preview of when Sanders loses or if all the pent up anger is just being unleashed now and they'll be calm when Sanders loses.

[Holmes]

I think one of the reasons that this is bigger than it really should be is because Sanders supporters are making a big sh**t out of it, especially when the evidence is so damning. Don't prop up this guy's campaign as being clean and honest before the facts even come out, because it's looking some of his staffers screwed up and y'all look really silly right now.

[Holmes]

The terminated employee was collecting data to file a bug. And he was fired for it.

HE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN COLLECTING IT WHEN HE KNEW THE DATA WASN'T THE CAMPAIGN'S TO BEGIN WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Holmes]

This reasoning is just so dumb. Sorry not sorry. Ok, there was a software glitch. sh**t happens. Sanders did their part and reported it, and nothing happened. So move on. Don't do the wrong thing and steal the rival campaign's data to prove a point. It's like saying that a bank can be broken into, so you rob it to prove a point. So dumb. Just so dumb.

[Holmes]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-suspension/

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Well, the Sanders campaign got what it wanted, I guess. A list of voters in early states who are open to voting for someone else over Clinton. And they got it for free. So that's cool for them, I guess.

[Holmes]

Yeah, I don't even care about this anymore. His staff stole data and he's a martyr or whatever. Ethics mean nothing anymore.

The drums begin to beat for an independent run.

Good. It needs to be an option if the DNC doesn't show Bernie some basic respect immediately. Trump threatened to go 3rd party for far less than this.

Actually Trump threatened to go third party for more than this. Among others, they were threatening to take Trump's nomination away from him if he were to enter a brokered convention with the most delegates and popular votes.

[Holmes]

Yeah, I don't even care about this anymore. His staff stole data and he's a martyr or whatever. Ethics mean nothing anymore.

The drums begin to beat for an independent run.

Good. It needs to be an option if the DNC doesn't show Bernie some basic respect immediately. Trump threatened to go 3rd party for far less than this.

Actually Trump threatened to go third party for more than this. Among others, they were threatening to take Trump's nomination away from him if he were to enter a brokered convention with the most delegates and popular votes.

A brokered convention is some crazy hypothetical. What the DNC did to Bernie is most definitely not a hypothetical.

What the Sanders campaign stole from the Clinton campaign, which took millions of dollars and thousands of volunteer hours to compile, is also definitely not a hypothetical. It happened.

And even if a brokered convention is some crazy hypothetical, the fact is that a lot of Republican leaders were and still are talking about it as if it's a possibility, and one of their only ways to stop a Trump nomination. They're doing it quite openly, too.

[Holmes]

Yeah, I don't even care about this anymore. His staff stole data and he's a martyr or whatever. Ethics mean nothing anymore.

The drums begin to beat for an independent run.

Good. It needs to be an option if the DNC doesn't show Bernie some basic respect immediately. Trump threatened to go 3rd party for far less than this.

Actually Trump threatened to go third party for more than this. Among others, they were threatening to take Trump's nomination away from him if he were to enter a brokered convention with the most delegates and popular votes.

A brokered convention is some crazy hypothetical. What the DNC did to Bernie is most definitely not a hypothetical.

What the Sanders campaign stole from the Clinton campaign, which took millions of dollars and thousands of volunteer hours to compile, is also definitely not a hypothetical. It happened.

Bernie didn't steal Hillary's data. The DNC just stole Bernie's data, though.

So you're telling me to completely ignore every report in the media that is telling me that they accessed 24 different lists in Clinton's voter data compilation and saved them to their own personal folders?

[Holmes]

Honestly guys, stop engaging. Sanders' campaign stole voter data but they're the victims, their supporters are now fired up and they'll be getting more campaign donations as a result.

Sanders has finally found out the way to succeed in America: break the rules and play the victim.

[Holmes]

It's hard for me to blame the DNC when the Sanders campaign has spent the past 24 hours making repeated false statements to the press.

Which claims would be the false ones? Also the DNC has been doing some of their own dirty tricks when the DNC chair has wanted Clinton president for years now.

They were saying it was a low level staffer this morning. It turns out it was a senior staffer, the National Data Director and another staffer.

They were saying that Clinton probably did it too. But when pressed, they said there was no evidence of that.

They said that nothing had been saved. Turns out files were saved, as the logs show.

Etc. etc. etc.

They change their story every couple of hours. It's ridiculous and shameful. Just man up and take responsibility for your actions; stop playing the victim and crying because you got caught.

they can't, they know their supporters are delusional and will automatically take Sanders' side no matter what and frame the narrative as the mean DNC is rigging the game.

Similar to TRUMP supporters.

[Holmes]

Here's some damning evidence, but based on some of the performances in this thread, some people will just close their eyes and try to drown it out.

[Holmes]

Welp, this is an overall depressing development. Going forward, the main goal of the Clinton campaign for the rest of the primary season should be to win over as many Sanders supporters as possible, and not to turn off too many of them. She doesn't need to attack; the nomination is hers and Sanders attacks will only serve to turn away would-be general election voters. For Sanders, his goal should be to run a clean issue based campaign for the next few months (until around March/April or so), and then fully and wholeheartedly endorse Clinton for President against Republican nominee Trump/Cruz/Rubio/Other.

There is no way I see Clinton winning the presidency. She is already a disliked candidate stuff like this just makes look really bad. This will be blamed on Hillary. I already see people saying they will just vote 3rd party.

It's strange how Hillary is even getting any blame for this, is it not? She's in no way involved. In fact, it was her own data that was stolen! There's some serious Clinton Derangement Syndrome and group think going on.

[Holmes]

Welp, this is an overall depressing development. Going forward, the main goal of the Clinton campaign for the rest of the primary season should be to win over as many Sanders supporters as possible, and not to turn off too many of them. She doesn't need to attack; the nomination is hers and Sanders attacks will only serve to turn away would-be general election voters. For Sanders, his goal should be to run a clean issue based campaign for the next few months (until around March/April or so), and then fully and wholeheartedly endorse Clinton for President against Republican nominee Trump/Cruz/Rubio/Other.

There is no way I see Clinton winning the presidency. She is already a disliked candidate stuff like this just makes look really bad. This will be blamed on Hillary. I already see people saying they will just vote 3rd party.

Exactly, if she wanted Bernie supporters in the general election, she could have called today for the DNC to reinstate the Bernie campaign's access to their files. She didn't. She is dead to a lot of Bernie supporters now.

Yeah, screw the real victim here, the one who's data was stolen. Stick it to the man!

[Holmes]

jfern, why is the Sanders campaign unable to give the DNC and everyone else paying attention a detailed and honest description of what happened? They've changed the story so much over the course of the day. Every time they were caught lying, they changed the story a little bit. They even tried to shift the blame on Clinton for accessing their files, a claim you're still parroting, but when pressed on it, Weaver had no evidence. If that will be their argument in court then they will surely lose. Why have they been lying so much? What are they trying so hard to cover up?

[Holmes]

Bernie Sanders will regain access to his voter file.
https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/678075287490404352

Good,  hopefully they've deleted the data they stole from Clinton too, unless they really need to cheat to win.

[Holmes]

I'd like to think of an irate and very body language-active Sanders telling that neoliberal, warmongering, corporatist, sketchy harpy-b[inks]h that all he needs is 2 points in a national general election to completely rat-fyck her party, but I'm sure he didn't handle things that way.

2%? Is that all the support Sanders and his unethical campaign staff can get with the campaign data he stole?

[Holmes]

Progressive Canadian, I can appreciate that you like Sanders and such, but the version of events you are trying to sell isn't even close to reality. I urge you to go to the Bloomberg article on the breach and read what actually happened.

Bloomberg is in the pocket of the Clintons.

Lol its like reading an article from hillary herself no im not going to trust bloomberg.

Did you read the log of the Sanders' campaign staff stealing data from Clinton's campaign?

Clinton made it up.

[Holmes]

Here's some damning evidence, but based on some of the performances in this thread, some people will just close their eyes and try to drown it out.

It sounds like the data was never actually viewed, just saved elsewhere on the system. The DNC and Hillary campaign really blew this out of proportion.

bruh

[Holmes]

Is it possible that O'Malley's campaign may have collected information from either Sanders or Clinton? His campaign also uses the database. I think it probably hasn't collected information.

By the way, where has O'Malley been through all of this?

It would be in the logs.

[Holmes]

The Clinton campaign should copyright their voter database so that the next time the slimy Sanders campaign comes knocking and tries to steal their information, they can press charges.

Just because Sanders wants to redistribute our wealth, doesn't mean he has the right to redistribute Clinton's campaign data!

[Holmes]

what, you think it's likely that the VAN people intentionally set Clinton's data set to be non-private to trick Sanders' staffers into accessing it and attempting to save the lists, in order to set him up for a negative media event?

god I hate the Atlas during presidential years sometimes.

It's really the DNC that is to blame, but it doesn't help that VAN is also Hillary hacks.

No, it's the three Sanders staffers who stole information that are to blame. What the hell is wrong with you people?! Why don't you go try robbing your neighbor's house next time they leave their door unlocked and see if "well it's really my neighbor who is to blame" holds up as a defense.

A better analogy would be breaking in when their alarm system is down.