DNC software breach gave Sanders campaign confidential Clinton Data

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That time AdamGriffin became a PUMA.

The first two letters of that acronym can't apply when an actual primary wasn't allowed to happen in the first place*.

*"But they let him run fair and square for the first half of it, at least!"

The 2008 primary wasn't democratic at all either. The candidate who got the most votes lost due to delegates from Michigan and Florida being barred from the convention. It's naive to think that the Democratic primary process was designed to produce a Democratic outcome as opposed to produce who the party wants as the nominee for the general election.

You're wrong on a few points.

Obama beat Hillary in the popular vote in states where they were both on the ballot.

Florida and Michigan were ultimately given full slates.

Hillary didn't complain at all when they were sanctioned, only asking the DNC to change its rules months later once she started losing to Obama. Despite this being absurd and unfair to the Obama campaign, the DNC held a hearing on it.

Hillary's strategy was to win the nomination using super delegates which weren't determined by any election.

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Everyone knows the game is rigged here. Hillary's campaign lobbied for few debates scheduled when few would watch them and the DNC obliged. No one serious believes her campaign would be punished similarly if the situation were reversed. The DNC is in the tank for her. The game is rigged and it confirms Sanders's message

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Everyone knows the game is rigged here. Hillary's campaign lobbied for few debates scheduled when few would watch them and the DNC obliged. No one serious believes her campaign would be punished similarly if the situation were reversed. The DNC is in the tank for her. The game is rigged and it confirms Sanders's message

I know the backlash against Clinton if her campaign was the one stealing data would be much, much worse.

Not form the DNC it wouldn't. They would do her whatever favor they could get away with.

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The DNC shredded their credibility a long time ago. The good news for Trump keeps coming.

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If she's the nominee, Hillary will need Sanders supporters in the general. The DNC's efforts to put a thumb on the scales is going to end up hurting her.

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It's depressing seeing Sanders's supporters being more delusional that those of TRUMP.

More delusional than either are Clinton supporters who think she'll get elected without help from Sanders supporters.

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Bringing things to an anticlimactic but reasonably satisfying ending is my specialty!

Just ask my ex-girlfriend.

This ending was funny enough to lock the thread on. May have been for the best.

Anyway, here's a statement from a strong Hillary supporter denouncing the DNC behavior on this thing.

http://www.ndn.org/blog/2015/12/learning-sanders-dnc-data-skirmish

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The Hillary campaign lobbied for as few debates with as small an audience as they could get away with and the DNC obliged. They very probably lobbied for this punishment too or else Debbie, not unlike the Bridgegate commanders in the unlikely event the order didn't come from Christie, knew what to do. But Hillary's campaign should know more than anyone the dangers of a primary loser being bitter. Her supporters whined about imaginary slights and having been cheated in 2008 and that process was much fairer than this one. Then, resentful about having lost to a smarter Obama campaign, many supported McCain, though most just flirted with the idea until Palin revealed herself to be a nightmare. And Hillary should also know from 2000 that it's harder for a party to hold the White House even after a successful presidency than it is to win it, as Bill and Obama did, against an incumbent party who failed. In short, the DNC botched this, botched the debates and should let Hillary fend for herself.

Guys I'm aware that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have and will continue to attack each other. Not really sure what reaction you're looking for here?

Look. It's obvious to any idiot your support for one of these candidates is tongue-in-cheek. If some people here can't see that you're only pretending to support Hillary to divide the Democratic Party and make Trump's election easier, they're beyond help.

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For downloading her data, the guy was fired by the Sanders campaign. For exploiting it to put a thumb on the scale for Hillary, the DNC was shamed into retreating and inadvertently raised a million dollars for Bernie in single day. All's well that ends well.