Hillary: "ISIS Using Videos Of Donald Trump To Recruit New Jihadists"
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« on: December 20, 2015, 09:27:24 AM »

Trump's response: "Can You Imagine Having That As President?"

A nice touch. It worked so well with Carly. Let's see if it works with Hillary too.
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2015, 09:44:41 AM »

Worked well with her? That's exactly when Fiorina started surging.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2015, 12:39:18 PM »

This might be true but whether it's true or not, I don't see why liberals are so happy to trumpet it. It actually proves that Islam is terrible if "moderate" Muslims are so easily converted to ISIS ideology.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2015, 12:41:16 PM »

It might help Clinton in a general election with some swing voters.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2015, 12:42:28 PM »

Trump's response: "Can You Imagine Having That As President?"

A nice touch. It worked so well with Carly. Let's see if it works with Hillary too.

The other similarity to Carly is the video doesn't seem to exist.
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2015, 02:03:40 PM »

This might be true but whether it's true or not, I don't see why liberals are so happy to trumpet it. It actually proves that Islam is terrible if "moderate" Muslims are so easily converted to ISIS ideology.

Uh, no. It's pretty easy to radicalize anyone who is constantly made to be at the receiving end of deep cutting and pervasive discrimination. A community of Muslims whose neighbourhood has been senselessly blown up by an American drone is going to be pretty receptive to the message that the US hates Islam, especially if men like Donald Trump basically come out and say as much.

I mean, hell. I'm not saying I've radicalized, but since coming out to myself and my friends as gay the attacks on LGBT people from the usual suspects seem to cut pretty deeply too. And while I'm not a violent extremist, I'll come clean and say I feel much more hateful these days than I did before, because there are identifiable people out there who I know would totally degrade my value as a human being because I'm attracted to men. There are people who would hate me for it and who would fight to exclude me from society. I'm supposed to just accept that and move on? I'm not supposed to feel anything about that?

I know the situations are very different. But I can see exactly why someone would be receptive to radicalization, and I'll tell you now that the process is most certainly a group effort. It takes a willing individual, but there are forces that can help push an individual to that point too. And I would not be surprised to hear that Donald Trump is now becoming one of those forces.
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2015, 02:07:23 PM »

And Trump uses ISIS videos to recruit new supporters!

The spiral continues.
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2015, 02:07:57 PM »

The Donald now has Mexicans violently smashing piņatas in the streets in his effigy, and they're largely of the same religion and not "radicalized". Video or not, why is this so hard to believe?
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2015, 02:15:34 PM »

The Donald now has Mexicans violently smashing piņatas in the streets in his effigy ...

And its reported that this took place in New Jersey, and just not a handful of people either.
There were "thousands and thousands" of them ....
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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2015, 02:17:03 PM »

The Donald now has Mexicans violently smashing piņatas in the streets in his effigy ...

And its reported that this took place in New Jersey, and just not a handful of people either.
There were "thousands and thousands" of them ....

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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2015, 02:23:12 PM »

I took this more as her making a soundbite joke, not an actual valid accusation. How did the media pick this, of all the things said last night, to run with?
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2015, 02:43:32 PM »

Yeah it seemed pretty obvious to me that this was just a figurative way of saying that Trump is a recruiting tool for ISIS, not that there are literally videos.
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2015, 02:58:44 PM »

This might be true but whether it's true or not, I don't see why liberals are so happy to trumpet it. It actually proves that Islam is terrible if "moderate" Muslims are so easily converted to ISIS ideology.

Uh, no. It's pretty easy to radicalize anyone who is constantly made to be at the receiving end of deep cutting and pervasive discrimination. A community of Muslims whose neighbourhood has been senselessly blown up by an American drone is going to be pretty receptive to the message that the US hates Islam, especially if men like Donald Trump basically come out and say as much.

Thus the need for caution. Avoid overkill.

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There is always something to radicalize anyone -- basically a betrayal of the normal standards of acceptable decency or the denial of human dignity.
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2015, 03:07:53 PM »

Presidential candidate exaggerated, news at 11.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2015, 03:22:14 PM »

Look, she's not exactly wrong on this point.....


But considering she was part of the foreign policy brain trust that created ISIS in the first place, its all a bit rich coming from Hilldog.
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2015, 03:23:38 PM »

This might be true but whether it's true or not, I don't see why liberals are so happy to trumpet it. It actually proves that Islam is terrible if "moderate" Muslims are so easily converted to ISIS ideology.

Trump's comments imply there is a war between the west and Islam. In that context, even "moderate" muslims might be swayed to join a group that purports to be fighting for Islam.
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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2015, 03:29:36 PM »

Thing is I bet Clinton also features in ISIS propaganda as a recruiting tool.
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