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« on: December 20, 2015, 06:13:45 PM »

How can someone get a 50 state sweep
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2015, 06:18:58 PM »

Maybe if you had a Jesus Christ/Oprah (D) vs. George Lincoln Rockwell/Reince Preibus (R/Nazi) election.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2015, 06:31:26 PM »

Can it EVER happen again? Sure. Is it likely any time soon? No.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2015, 07:11:51 PM »

State partisanship is a lot more firm today than it was in 1984. Barring a huge demographic shift, I'm not certain it would ever happen in today's climate.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2015, 08:51:25 PM »

A recently-totalitarian Party allows a free election and loses 75-25 in the general election.
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2015, 10:33:42 PM »

State partisanship is a lot more firm today than it was in 1984. Barring a huge demographic shift, I'm not certain it would ever happen in today's climate.

Even in 1984 it didn't happen.
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2015, 11:51:57 PM »
« Edited: December 21, 2015, 02:39:37 PM by Wolverine22 »

State partisanship is a lot more firm today than it was in 1984. Barring a huge demographic shift, I'm not certain it would ever happen in today's climate.

Even in 1984 it didn't happen.

I'm well-aware, but that's about the closest you can get without actually doing it though.
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2015, 12:03:08 PM »

An incumbent President pulls a Nixon, refuses to resign, then a recession happens, and the opposing party runs a moderate.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2015, 06:38:51 PM »

the other candidate dies a day before the election?
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2015, 01:38:12 AM »
« Edited: December 24, 2015, 01:40:17 AM by Fritz »

Ask James Monroe.

Wait- another 50 state sweep?  How can there be another of something that hasn't happened yet? 1972 and 1984 were 49 state sweeps.
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2015, 07:32:55 AM »

Maybe if Washington, Lincoln or FDR would rise from the dead.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2015, 09:42:58 AM »

How about a three or four way race with strong candidates?

For example: Hillary (D) vs. Sanders (I/ Socialist) vs. Warren (I or Green)/ and or Webb (Independent Democrat) vs. Republican

Or: Rubio (R) vs. Trump (I) vs. Rand (Libertarian) vs. Hillary (D)
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2015, 11:27:56 AM »

There would have to be another realignment first.  Right now both parties have absolute floors in the low forties and would still be able to win large swaths of the country even in worst case scenarios.  In the 20th century there was a slow realignment that essentially went on from 1920-2000 (interrupted by the Great Depression) in which partisan identity was weak and shifting and landslides were possible.  Now, we're entering a period more like 1868-1920 where partisan identity is high, the map changes very little from election to election, and absolute landslides are difficult to impossible.
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2015, 01:03:15 PM »

Abraham Lincoln/Franklin Delano Roosevelt vs. George W. Bush/Barack Obama, perhaps.
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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2015, 02:21:22 PM »

the other candidate dies a day before the election?

Didn't help Grant
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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2015, 02:30:29 PM »


that guy died after the election
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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2015, 03:17:08 PM »

Maybe SCOTUS finds some clause in the 2nd Amendment that shows that only gun owners are legally eligible to vote.
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« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2015, 02:48:20 AM »

Nowadays the states are too locked and set in their ways compared to a generation ago.  No I don't see it happening.  First of all, Republicans would have to lose even Utah and Wyoming.  Even back in the 70's and 80's this wasn't possible for a Republican to lose so badly.  Democrats too would have to lose Vermont.  I'm assuming we're still giving them D.C. which isn't being included in this sweep.
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« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2015, 10:35:47 AM »

How can someone get a 50 state sweep

White people dying off, in terms of their numbers, would be a help.
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« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2015, 10:59:40 AM »

How can someone get a 50 state sweep

White people dying off, in terms of their numbers, would be a help.

Been going on Stormfront a lot lately, eh?
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« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2015, 10:04:27 PM »

How can someone get a 50 state sweep

White people dying off, in terms of their numbers, would be a help.

Better yet, blacks and poor people dying off! 
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« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2015, 11:19:58 PM »
« Edited: December 25, 2015, 11:52:57 PM by DS0816 »

How can someone get a 50 state sweep

White people dying off, in terms of their numbers, would be a help.

Been going on Stormfront a lot lately, eh?

No.



How can someone get a 50 state sweep

White people dying off, in terms of their numbers, would be a help.

Better yet, blacks and poor people dying off!  

No.

White people.

Given that Hillary pays minimum wage also wrote the following, it is not surprising:

Why do Americans have such a fascination with homosexuality?


Why would it be a help for white to die off in terms of the numbers?

Due to the Democrats having the better map, and District of Columbia (which I am counting in this!), it would be the Democratic, not the Republican, Party which would get to 50 states first. And white people, with their numbers, would be a help to it.

In 2008, the last presidential election in which all 50 states plus District of Columbia were exit-polled, Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska [statewide], North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming saw their states' white voters were enough to deliver to John McCain. Multiply their size of the vote times their McCain/Republican support…and they were over 50 percent. In other words, never mind the non-whites from those states.

Six of those listed came from Old Confederacy states from the eight which were carried by McCain. (Barack Obama won Democratic pickups from Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia. Seven of the eleven Old Confederacy states rank among the bottom ten historically with having carried for presidential winners. See: @ https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=222186.0 .) In Georgia, the white support for John McCain was almost half of the 99.00 percent of the combined two-party vote. (Whites were 65 percent of the size of the vote. 76 percent of them voted for McCain. 65 x 0.76 = 49.40 percent. McCain carried Georgia with 52.10 percent to the 46.90 percent for Barack Obama.) This means Obama would have had to have nabbed nearly 100 percent of the non-white vote to have flipped Georgia in 2008.

Seventeen of the twenty-two states which carried for John McCain, the losing Republican in the 2008 Democratic presidential pickup year for Barack Obama, were mathematically carried instantly with reaching 50 percent based alone on how whites from those particular states had voted. In recent presidential elections, the Republicans count on about 90 percent of their national support from whites to represent their percentage of the U.S. Popular Vote. And when you compare where their Republican support is from whites, and the percentage they represent in the states by comparison to the results from the U.S. Popular Vote, you can understand the Republicans' dependency. (That they are propped up by the white voters of those states cited.)
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« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2015, 11:43:43 PM »

Nowadays the states are too locked and set in their ways compared to a generation ago.  No I don't see it happening.  First of all, Republicans would have to lose even Utah and Wyoming.  Even back in the 70's and 80's this wasn't possible for a Republican to lose so badly.  Democrats too would have to lose Vermont.  I'm assuming we're still giving them D.C. which isn't being included in this sweep.

Every presidential election won by the Republican Party specifically during the 1970s and 1980s were 40-plus-state landslides. The one losing election, in 1976, saw the unseated (and never elected) Gerald Ford hold 27 of the 49 states which carried four years earlier for the re-election of Richard Nixon. It's one of two presidential elections in which an outright winner carried less than 50 percent of the nation's participating states.
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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2015, 07:03:15 AM »

This requires a popular vote of at least 58-59%, or even more. Probably 63-64% and that's practicly impossible. Maybe if something like 9/11 happens a few weeks/days before the election, and a very popular incumbent is up for reelection.
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« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2015, 12:38:31 AM »

Nowadays the states are too locked and set in their ways compared to a generation ago.  No I don't see it happening.  First of all, Republicans would have to lose even Utah and Wyoming.  Even back in the 70's and 80's this wasn't possible for a Republican to lose so badly.  Democrats too would have to lose Vermont.  I'm assuming we're still giving them D.C. which isn't being included in this sweep.

Every presidential election won by the Republican Party specifically during the 1970s and 1980s were 40-plus-state landslides. The one losing election, in 1976, saw the unseated (and never elected) Gerald Ford hold 27 of the 49 states which carried four years earlier for the re-election of Richard Nixon. It's one of two presidential elections in which an outright winner carried less than 50 percent of the nation's participating states.

What I meant by my wording was that in the 70's and 80's states weren't as set in their ways.  We're living in an era of closer elections.  Our last 6 have been competitive historically, especially 3 of the last 4.
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