Interstate Abortion Regulation Act (Failed)

[Senator Cris]

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Sponsor: Citizen Potus

[Blair]

If I recall from Roe v Zuwo the Senate has no power to regulate abortion

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Just a thought, but complying with this:

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would be a logistical nightmare to deal with, and potentially lead to the deaths of expectant mothers in need of emergency abortions.

[Ebowed]

What is the rationale for treating women this way other than the basis that they are from the wrong location?

Do we normally deny rights to people because they are from another location?  I.e. do we prohibit people from purchasing alcohol in Missouri if they are from a dry county in Kentucky?  Do we have a database of women who live in the "incorrect" state so that they may be denied the right to access an abortion?

[Potus]

The Senate has the power to regulate interstate commerce. This doesn't deal with the issue of abortion in the way we think about it (ban vs. legalize). This is a matter of licensing, regulation, etc. That circumvents the constitutional limits on the Senate's power to regulate abortion.

I suppose I could agree to an exception for life-threatening emergency abortions as attested to by medical professionals. However, PiT, the idea is to create a logistical nightmare for an industry built on the destruction of life. I don't want to make their job easy. I want the practice of abortion limited to absolute medical necessity, and even then I believe it should be left to the discretion of the woman.

If you're in the business of wanting to make life easy for abortionists, then you shouldn't vote for this bill but you also shouldn't call yourself a conservative.

[Blair]

The Senate has the power to regulate interstate commerce. This doesn't deal with the issue of abortion in the way we think about it (ban vs. legalize). This is a matter of licensing, regulation, etc. That circumvents the constitutional limits on the Senate's power to regulate abortion.

That's a very specific interpretation of the constitution. Abortion is a medical procedure-not a commercial one in my view   

[Associate Justice PiT]

The Senate has the power to regulate interstate commerce. This doesn't deal with the issue of abortion in the way we think about it (ban vs. legalize). This is a matter of licensing, regulation, etc. That circumvents the constitutional limits on the Senate's power to regulate abortion.

I suppose I could agree to an exception for life-threatening emergency abortions as attested to by medical professionals. However, PiT, the idea is to create a logistical nightmare for an industry built on the destruction of life. I don't want to make their job easy. I want the practice of abortion limited to absolute medical necessity, and even then I believe it should be left to the discretion of the woman.

If you're in the business of wanting to make life easy for abortionists, then you shouldn't vote for this bill but you also shouldn't call yourself a conservative.

     The right-wing survives in Atlasia by being a big tent and uniting people of various persuasions who find themselves opposed to the hard-left dogma of Labor. Telling people that they cannot associate with the right-wing because of a position they hold on a single, specific issue is antithetical to the success of the Atlasian right. You may want to think about that before you play the No True Scotsman card on me.

[Potus]

You're pro-life, PiT. I'm not talking about you. But I do want you to save lives. This isn't an issue to play political football, this is an issue of life and death.

[Clark Kent]

I'm pro-life, but I don't like the way this law is proposed. Residents of one region are not subject to its laws while outside of its borders in other cases, so I feel like this law would set a dangerous precedent.

[Ebowed]

I motion to amend the text of Section 1 to include some additions, noted in bold.

"Any abortion clinic providing abortions to out-of-state clients must hold emergency room admittance privileges at a nearby hospital, comply with the health and surgical regulations of every jurisdiction their clients are legal residents and/or citizens of, notify the parents of minors seeking abortions as well as the spouses of married women seeking abortions, require a vaginal ultrasound before the abortion is performed, adhere to a mandatory 96 hour waiting period following vaginal ultrasounds, and maintain a clinical psychologist on staff during all times abortions may be performed who will explain to all patients that abortion is linked to breast cancer regardless of any contradicting evidence."

In the spirit of this bill, it occurs to me that women may be residing in an area with more lenient restrictions on abortion than their original country of origin.  It will be much more difficult for dual citizens to obtain an abortion if clinics have to adhere to the regulations from foreign countries.

I also think leaving out spousal notification may have been an accidental oversight, so it's best to include it.

Vaginal ultrasounds with mandatory waiting periods are a proven delay tactic which will help contribute to the logistical nightmare you seek.

Given the tenuous reasoning for having a psychologist on staff, perhaps it would be better to make abundantly clear what their actual purpose is in this entire endeavor.

If we dig a little bit deeper, I'm sure there are other ways we could make women's lives more difficult.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Another half-baked attempt to violate the rights of women and trample upon the Constitution, I see. It will be a pleasure to laugh this bill out of town.

[Ebowed]

Am I to assume that the sponsor of this legislation agrees with the amendments proposed?

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

If we dig a little bit deeper, I'm sure there are other ways we could make women's lives more difficult.

Indeed. So long as we're rolling women's rights back to the 17th Century, why not go the whole hog?

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[Senator Cris]

I motion to amend the text of Section 1 to include some additions, noted in bold.

"Any abortion clinic providing abortions to out-of-state clients must hold emergency room admittance privileges at a nearby hospital, comply with the health and surgical regulations of every jurisdiction their clients are legal residents and/or citizens of, notify the parents of minors seeking abortions as well as the spouses of married women seeking abortions, require a vaginal ultrasound before the abortion is performed, adhere to a mandatory 96 hour waiting period following vaginal ultrasounds, and maintain a clinical psychologist on staff during all times abortions may be performed who will explain to all patients that abortion is linked to breast cancer regardless of any contradicting evidence."

Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Senator Cris]

I'm pro-life, but I don't like the way this law is proposed. Residents of one region are not subject to its laws while outside of its borders in other cases, so I feel like this law would set a dangerous precedent.

[Clark Kent]

Objecting to Ebowed's amendment, for obvious reasons.

[Senator Cris]

A vote on Ebowed's amendment is now open.
Please vote.

[Prince of Salem]

Heh.

Nay

[Ebowed]

Aye

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Abstain. Obvious troll attempt is obvious.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Heh.

Nay

[Clark Kent]

     Abstain. Obvious troll attempt is obvious.

[Ebowed]

Well, I beg your pardon, but it's not "obvious trolling", it makes just as much sense as the original legislation and it is very much in spirit of what the bill hopes to accomplish.

[Barnes]

Aye.

Senator Ebowed rather hits the nail on the head with this troubled legislation.

[Senator Cris]

Nay