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« on: December 28, 2015, 08:02:16 PM »

Going along with my other thread on centre-right government, suppose the world leaders in 2020 include the following (I don't know enough about all of these country's politics to know if this specific list is possible, but just for clarity's sake):

USA: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
United Kingdom: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
Canada: Justin Trudeau (Liberal)
Australia: Bill Shorten (Labour)
Mexico: Andrés Manuel López Obrador (PRD)
France: Francois Hollande (Socialist)
Austria: Werner Faymann (SPÖ)
Spain: Pedro Sánchez (PSOE)
Germany: Sigmar Gabriel (SPD)
Norway: Jonas Gahr Střre (Labour)
Italy: Matteo Renzi (Democratic)
Portugal: António Costa (PS)
Sweden: Stefan Löfven (Social Democratic)
Poland: Barbara Nowacka (United Left)
Netherlands: Diederik Samsom (PvdA)
India: Sonia Gandhi (INC)
South Africa: Jacob Zuma (ANC)
New Zealand: Andrew Little (Labour)
Hungary: József Tobias (MSZP)
Brazil: Dilma Rousseff (PT)

And, well... you get the idea. Furthermore, let's suppose that all of these parties have a strong enough standing in government to get solid legislation though (i.e. they're not part of any grand coalition, or only control one part of government). What might world policy look like? What would happen to the EU? Would the world economy start to look more socialist and regulated along side increasing supra-nationalist movements? How would issues like gay marriage and prostitution be treated? How would the East-West dynamic change, as well as the global north-global south dynamic?
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2016, 10:15:53 AM »

I doubt Trudeau will be "centre left" for long.  They campaigned on the left, and have so far have not jolted to the right, but almost every Liberal government ends up doing so. And it looks like the economy will force them to jolt to the right, and their true roots will show.

Anyways, it disappoints me when foreign pundits keep trumping Trudeau as some leftist saviour. It shows a deep ignorance of Canadian politics.

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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2016, 11:08:56 AM »

I doubt Trudeau will be "centre left" for long.  They campaigned on the left, and have so far have not jolted to the right, but almost every Liberal government ends up doing so. And it looks like the economy will force them to jolt to the right, and their true roots will show.

Anyways, it disappoints me when foreign pundits keep trumping Trudeau as some leftist saviour. It shows a deep ignorance of Canadian politics.
Trudeau seems far more concerned with SJW policies than anything that would encourage economic equality. I think he's a nut.
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2016, 05:06:47 PM »

I doubt Trudeau will be "centre left" for long.  They campaigned on the left, and have so far have not jolted to the right, but almost every Liberal government ends up doing so. And it looks like the economy will force them to jolt to the right, and their true roots will show.

Anyways, it disappoints me when foreign pundits keep trumping Trudeau as some leftist saviour. It shows a deep ignorance of Canadian politics.
Trudeau seems far more concerned with SJW policies than anything that would encourage economic equality. I think he's a nut.


The post-Rae NDP aren't incredibly different in that respect.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2016, 05:16:35 PM »

Going along with my other thread on centre-right government, suppose the world leaders in 2020 include the following (I don't know enough about all of these country's politics to know if this specific list is possible, but just for clarity's sake):

USA: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
United Kingdom: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
Canada: Justin Trudeau (Liberal)
Australia: Bill Shorten (Labour)
Mexico: Andrés Manuel López Obrador (PRD)
France: Francois Hollande (Socialist)
Austria: Werner Faymann (SPÖ)
Spain: Pedro Sánchez (PSOE)
Germany: Sigmar Gabriel (SPD)
Norway: Jonas Gahr Střre (Labour)
Italy: Matteo Renzi (Democratic)
Portugal: António Costa (PS)
Sweden: Stefan Löfven (Social Democratic)
Poland: Barbara Nowacka (United Left)
Netherlands: Diederik Samsom (PvdA)
India: Sonia Gandhi (INC)
South Africa: Jacob Zuma (ANC)
New Zealand: Andrew Little (Labour)
Hungary: József Tobias (MSZP)
Brazil: Dilma Rousseff (PT)

And, well... you get the idea. Furthermore, let's suppose that all of these parties have a strong enough standing in government to get solid legislation though (i.e. they're not part of any grand coalition, or only control one part of government). What might world policy look like? What would happen to the EU? Would the world economy start to look more socialist and regulated along side increasing supra-nationalist movements? How would issues like gay marriage and prostitution be treated? How would the East-West dynamic change, as well as the global north-global south dynamic?

He's not center left, he is a far left radical marxist
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2016, 05:35:00 PM »

Going along with my other thread on centre-right government, suppose the world leaders in 2020 include the following (I don't know enough about all of these country's politics to know if this specific list is possible, but just for clarity's sake):

USA: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
United Kingdom: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
Canada: Justin Trudeau (Liberal)
Australia: Bill Shorten (Labour)
Mexico: Andrés Manuel López Obrador (PRD)
France: Francois Hollande (Socialist)
Austria: Werner Faymann (SPÖ)
Spain: Pedro Sánchez (PSOE)
Germany: Sigmar Gabriel (SPD)
Norway: Jonas Gahr Střre (Labour)
Italy: Matteo Renzi (Democratic)
Portugal: António Costa (PS)
Sweden: Stefan Löfven (Social Democratic)
Poland: Barbara Nowacka (United Left)
Netherlands: Diederik Samsom (PvdA)
India: Sonia Gandhi (INC)
South Africa: Jacob Zuma (ANC)
New Zealand: Andrew Little (Labour)
Hungary: József Tobias (MSZP)
Brazil: Dilma Rousseff (PT)

And, well... you get the idea. Furthermore, let's suppose that all of these parties have a strong enough standing in government to get solid legislation though (i.e. they're not part of any grand coalition, or only control one part of government). What might world policy look like? What would happen to the EU? Would the world economy start to look more socialist and regulated along side increasing supra-nationalist movements? How would issues like gay marriage and prostitution be treated? How would the East-West dynamic change, as well as the global north-global south dynamic?

He's not center left, he is a far left radical marxist

And your claim for knowledge on UK politics is?
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2016, 06:24:00 PM »

Going along with my other thread on centre-right government, suppose the world leaders in 2020 include the following (I don't know enough about all of these country's politics to know if this specific list is possible, but just for clarity's sake):

USA: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
United Kingdom: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
Canada: Justin Trudeau (Liberal)
Australia: Bill Shorten (Labour)
Mexico: Andrés Manuel López Obrador (PRD)
France: Francois Hollande (Socialist)
Austria: Werner Faymann (SPÖ)
Spain: Pedro Sánchez (PSOE)
Germany: Sigmar Gabriel (SPD)
Norway: Jonas Gahr Střre (Labour)
Italy: Matteo Renzi (Democratic)
Portugal: António Costa (PS)
Sweden: Stefan Löfven (Social Democratic)
Poland: Barbara Nowacka (United Left)
Netherlands: Diederik Samsom (PvdA)
India: Sonia Gandhi (INC)
South Africa: Jacob Zuma (ANC)
New Zealand: Andrew Little (Labour)
Hungary: József Tobias (MSZP)
Brazil: Dilma Rousseff (PT)

And, well... you get the idea. Furthermore, let's suppose that all of these parties have a strong enough standing in government to get solid legislation though (i.e. they're not part of any grand coalition, or only control one part of government). What might world policy look like? What would happen to the EU? Would the world economy start to look more socialist and regulated along side increasing supra-nationalist movements? How would issues like gay marriage and prostitution be treated? How would the East-West dynamic change, as well as the global north-global south dynamic?

He's not center left, he is a far left radical marxist

And your claim for knowledge on UK politics is?


Wanting to nationalize many industries, and wanting to institute a maximum wage is Marxist. Also calling Isreal more evil then Palestine and America worse then Russia is not a center left position it is a  far left radical position.
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2016, 06:29:06 PM »

Going along with my other thread on centre-right government, suppose the world leaders in 2020 include the following (I don't know enough about all of these country's politics to know if this specific list is possible, but just for clarity's sake):

USA: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
United Kingdom: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
Canada: Justin Trudeau (Liberal)
Australia: Bill Shorten (Labour)
Mexico: Andrés Manuel López Obrador (PRD)
France: Francois Hollande (Socialist)
Austria: Werner Faymann (SPÖ)
Spain: Pedro Sánchez (PSOE)
Germany: Sigmar Gabriel (SPD)
Norway: Jonas Gahr Střre (Labour)
Italy: Matteo Renzi (Democratic)
Portugal: António Costa (PS)
Sweden: Stefan Löfven (Social Democratic)
Poland: Barbara Nowacka (United Left)
Netherlands: Diederik Samsom (PvdA)
India: Sonia Gandhi (INC)
South Africa: Jacob Zuma (ANC)
New Zealand: Andrew Little (Labour)
Hungary: József Tobias (MSZP)
Brazil: Dilma Rousseff (PT)

And, well... you get the idea. Furthermore, let's suppose that all of these parties have a strong enough standing in government to get solid legislation though (i.e. they're not part of any grand coalition, or only control one part of government). What might world policy look like? What would happen to the EU? Would the world economy start to look more socialist and regulated along side increasing supra-nationalist movements? How would issues like gay marriage and prostitution be treated? How would the East-West dynamic change, as well as the global north-global south dynamic?

He's not center left, he is a far left radical marxist

And your claim for knowledge on UK politics is?


Corbyn claiming to nationalize many industries, and wanting to institute a maximum wage is Marxist. And calling Isreal more evil then Palestine and America worse then Russia is not a center left position it is a  far left position.

This is not a solely Marxist position. For example, Clement Atlee nationalized many industries, but he sided with the US in the Cold War.
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2016, 06:31:58 PM »

Going along with my other thread on centre-right government, suppose the world leaders in 2020 include the following (I don't know enough about all of these country's politics to know if this specific list is possible, but just for clarity's sake):

USA: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
United Kingdom: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
Canada: Justin Trudeau (Liberal)
Australia: Bill Shorten (Labour)
Mexico: Andrés Manuel López Obrador (PRD)
France: Francois Hollande (Socialist)
Austria: Werner Faymann (SPÖ)
Spain: Pedro Sánchez (PSOE)
Germany: Sigmar Gabriel (SPD)
Norway: Jonas Gahr Střre (Labour)
Italy: Matteo Renzi (Democratic)
Portugal: António Costa (PS)
Sweden: Stefan Löfven (Social Democratic)
Poland: Barbara Nowacka (United Left)
Netherlands: Diederik Samsom (PvdA)
India: Sonia Gandhi (INC)
South Africa: Jacob Zuma (ANC)
New Zealand: Andrew Little (Labour)
Hungary: József Tobias (MSZP)
Brazil: Dilma Rousseff (PT)

And, well... you get the idea. Furthermore, let's suppose that all of these parties have a strong enough standing in government to get solid legislation though (i.e. they're not part of any grand coalition, or only control one part of government). What might world policy look like? What would happen to the EU? Would the world economy start to look more socialist and regulated along side increasing supra-nationalist movements? How would issues like gay marriage and prostitution be treated? How would the East-West dynamic change, as well as the global north-global south dynamic?

He's not center left, he is a far left radical marxist

And your claim for knowledge on UK politics is?


Corbyn claiming to nationalize many industries, and wanting to institute a maximum wage is Marxist. And calling Isreal more evil then Palestine and America worse then Russia is not a center left position it is a  far left position.

This is not a solely Marxist position. For example, Clement Atlee nationalized many industries, but he sided with the US in the Cold War.

But Maximum wage is marxist, which Atlee never did. Also his position on Isreal and US is what a radical would say
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2016, 08:39:26 AM »

beep boop.

Ignore the compu-troll, everyone.

Anyways, I think with the Liberals doing a fairly effective job in trying to triangulate the progressive vote, the NDP will be forced to move to the left, and run more populist campaigns a la Corbyn or Sanders. But who will be Canada's Sanders? 
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2016, 02:41:12 AM »

Going along with my other thread on centre-right government, suppose the world leaders in 2020 include the following (I don't know enough about all of these country's politics to know if this specific list is possible, but just for clarity's sake):

USA: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
United Kingdom: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
Canada: Justin Trudeau (Liberal)
Australia: Bill Shorten (Labour)
Mexico: Andrés Manuel López Obrador (PRD)
France: Francois Hollande (Socialist)
Austria: Werner Faymann (SPÖ)
Spain: Pedro Sánchez (PSOE)
Germany: Sigmar Gabriel (SPD)
Norway: Jonas Gahr Střre (Labour)
Italy: Matteo Renzi (Democratic)
Portugal: António Costa (PS)
Sweden: Stefan Löfven (Social Democratic)
Poland: Barbara Nowacka (United Left)
Netherlands: Diederik Samsom (PvdA)
India: Sonia Gandhi (INC)
South Africa: Jacob Zuma (ANC)
New Zealand: Andrew Little (Labour)
Hungary: József Tobias (MSZP)
Brazil: Dilma Rousseff (PT)

And, well... you get the idea. Furthermore, let's suppose that all of these parties have a strong enough standing in government to get solid legislation though (i.e. they're not part of any grand coalition, or only control one part of government). What might world policy look like? What would happen to the EU? Would the world economy start to look more socialist and regulated along side increasing supra-nationalist movements? How would issues like gay marriage and prostitution be treated? How would the East-West dynamic change, as well as the global north-global south dynamic?

He's not center left, he is a far left radical marxist

And your claim for knowledge on UK politics is?


Corbyn claiming to nationalize many industries, and wanting to institute a maximum wage is Marxist. And calling Isreal more evil then Palestine and America worse then Russia is not a center left position it is a  far left position.

This is not a solely Marxist position. For example, Clement Atlee nationalized many industries, but he sided with the US in the Cold War.

But Maximum wage is marxist, which Atlee never did. Also his position on Isreal and US is what a radical would say

Learn what marxist is before you comment rubbish and read Karl Marx before you type such rubbish stuff.  Also agreeing with some stuff marx said some stuff marx said does not make you a marxist. If it did, that would make me a communist and a fascist at the same time.
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