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« on: January 09, 2016, 08:38:13 PM »

What %/spread does Hillary really need in Iowa to avoid a victory being called a defeat?

EX: If she beats Sanders 49% to 47%, I have trouble seeing that as being spun as a positive.
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2016, 08:43:08 PM »

According to a political science professor interviewed by the Washington Post, she needs to win upwards of 60% of the vote in the Iowa caucuses to put away Bernie Sanders for good:

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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2016, 08:44:09 PM »

60% would be an excellent showing for her.
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2016, 08:47:01 PM »

As long as she wins Iowa, she's fine.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2016, 08:55:31 PM »

At least 53%.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2016, 09:02:48 PM »

Around 55% or a 15 pt spread would be good for her.
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2016, 09:23:16 PM »

A double-digit victory. And snow shovels.
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2016, 09:31:24 PM »

She just needs to win.
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2016, 10:53:52 PM »

40% is all she needs, if that. Come on, guys. Iowa, even including just the Democrats, is lily-white and disproportionately liberal. Meanwhile the party as a whole is over 1/3 non-white. Do you really think losing Iowa, even by a hefty margin, means she will be seriously threatened once the contest moves to states with nonwhites, who have shown no indication of preferring anyone but Hillary, in them? Let's say Sanders wins Iowa and then goes on to win NH as well. How will he win South Carolina? How will Sanders win anything on Super Tuesday but his home state and Massachusetts? Hillary will still have the lead in delegates back by morning on March 2 and still will likely not lose another state after that.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2016, 11:23:46 PM »
« Edited: January 10, 2016, 01:55:09 AM by Eraserhead »

As long as she wins Iowa, she's fine.

Agreed, unfortunately. She's not going to get 60% in Iowa.

It's good to see expectations for her starting to get out of control though.
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2016, 11:25:12 PM »

40% is all she needs, if that. Come on, guys. Iowa, even including just the Democrats, is lily-white and disproportionately liberal. Meanwhile the party as a whole is over 1/3 non-white. Do you really think losing Iowa, even by a hefty margin, means she will be seriously threatened once the contest moves to states with nonwhites, who have shown no indication of preferring anyone but Hillary, in them? Let's say Sanders wins Iowa and then goes on to win NH as well. How will he win South Carolina? How will Sanders win anything on Super Tuesday but his home state and Massachusetts? Hillary will still have the lead in delegates back by morning on March 2 and still will likely not lose another state after that.

Massachusetts is basically Clinton-land. I could see him winning the more white states on Super Tuesday.
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2016, 11:36:44 PM »

Getting someone over 50% even if its 50.01% would be good for her. Outside of Gore in '00 and Harkin in '92 very few non-incumbents have won more than 50% in an Iowa primary. Even if its close being over 50% her team spin it as good.
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2016, 11:44:20 PM »

As long as she wins Iowa, she's fine.

Yes. But given that she came in third in Iowa back in 2008, loosing to both Barack Obama and John Edwards, I wouldn't be surprised if she lost Iowa this time aroundl. I don't think the people in Iowa are enamored by her, but we'll see.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2016, 01:22:23 AM »

As long as she wins Iowa, she's fine.

Yes. But given that she came in third in Iowa back in 2008, loosing to both Barack Obama and John Edwards, I wouldn't be surprised if she lost Iowa this time aroundl. I don't think the people in Iowa are enamored by her, but we'll see.
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2016, 01:23:47 AM »

I'm still pissed the caucuses weren't on like New Years day or whatever. Putting it off a whole other month is just boring.
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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2016, 01:25:46 AM »

Hillary needs Bill not to be in IA.  But I am glad he is there because I am Republican for Trump
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2016, 03:10:58 AM »

A decent margin... ideally double-digits.
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2016, 03:41:43 AM »

All she needs is a high single digits victory somewhere around 53%.
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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2016, 03:56:14 AM »

Only a victory.  Without IA or NH she will not be the nominee.
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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2016, 04:03:01 AM »
« Edited: January 10, 2016, 04:09:01 AM by Ogre Mage »

She just needs a win for the headlines to be mostly neutral.

If she actually wants positive press coverage about her win she's going to have to do better.  Probably a margin of victory in the high single digits or low double digits, with Clinton getting at least around 50% of the vote.  If she somehow gets into the mid-50s (which I doubt) she should get really good press.
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2016, 05:15:28 AM »

As long as she wins Iowa, she's fine.
This. Even a win in a squeeker would be OK. Certainly not great, but OK. The two first states are not great for her, what she needs to do is to do OK and then wipe the floor with Sanders come super tuesday.
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