New Hampshire's "Libertarian" credentials?
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« on: January 12, 2016, 10:40:38 AM »
« edited: January 12, 2016, 10:46:30 AM by tschandler »

The conventional wisdom is that New Hampshire is a fairly libertarian place.  With Trump, Kaisch, and Christie outpolling both Republican Liberty Caucus candidates in Cruz and Paul in New Hampshire it appears that conventional wisdom is incorrect.  Is it regional bias (Cruz and Paul being Southerners) or something else?
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2016, 10:59:46 AM »

IMHO, mostly (but not only) first. Southern mentality (frequently - with extreme conservatism, especially on social issues) is a very bad fit for New England, which may be conservative (to some extent) fiscally, but almost never - socially...
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2016, 11:16:29 AM »

I don't understand people who think New England isn't, at a basic level, socially conservative (unless you buy into the absurd and narrow definition that hard-line opposition to hot-button political issues like abortion and gay rights is the epitome of "social conservatism"...).
 
There is so much history, culture, and tradition in New England that, in some form, stretches back to colonial times. And New Englanders are not only proud of said heritage, but would certainly not want to change it - at least, not in a way that fundamentally threatened their sensibilities.

Plus, in terms of everyday life and social custom New Englanders are a lot more traditional than their  strongly Democratic voting habits would suggest.



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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2016, 12:56:39 PM »

I don't understand people who think New England isn't, at a basic level, socially conservative (unless you buy into the absurd and narrow definition that hard-line opposition to hot-button political issues like abortion and gay rights is the epitome of "social conservatism"...).
 
There is so much history, culture, and tradition in New England that, in some form, stretches back to colonial times. And New Englanders are not only proud of said heritage, but would certainly not want to change it - at least, not in a way that fundamentally threatened their sensibilities.

Plus, in terms of everyday life and social custom New Englanders are a lot more traditional than their  strongly Democratic voting habits would suggest.

I use "conservative" in political sense of the word. As almost a synonym for "reactionary". And in THIS sense New England is, surely, NOT a conservative area..
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2016, 08:37:34 PM »

They demonstrated libertarian credentials by voting for noted libertarians Trump and Sanders.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2016, 08:57:36 PM »

They demonstrated libertarian credentials by voting for noted libertarians Trump and Sanders.

Don't forget noted moderate mavericks Ann Kuster, Jeanne Shaheen and Maggie Hassan.
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2016, 11:28:13 PM »

There is nothing even remotely Libertarian about NH.

It's not a "right-to-work" state. I would think that a lack of a "right-to-work" law would be the default liberty position.
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2016, 02:48:38 AM »

The conventional wisdom is that New Hampshire is a fairly libertarian place.  With Trump, Kaisch, and Christie outpolling both Republican Liberty Caucus candidates in Cruz and Paul in New Hampshire it appears that conventional wisdom is incorrect.  Is it regional bias (Cruz and Paul being Southerners) or something else?
The state motto is "Live Free or Die".  New Hampshire does not have an income tax on wage income nor a sales tax, so traditionally has relied on property taxes to provide services at the local level. With a relative small population it doesn't need or can't afford a massive state bureaucracy. You can't rail against the politicians "up in Concord" and be taken seriously. If you were from Massachusetts or New York, you would probably regard New Hampshire as libertarian.

There was an effort a few years ago to get a group of Libertarians to move to New Hampshire, with an effort to take over the state politically. You might reason that a cadre of 50,000 persons might be able to take over the state. But if you have a cadre taking over a state it will disintegrate into folks fighting for power. Most people need a job to live somewhere, and I don't think that many people moved.

Techies in Nashua and Manchester may have interest in Libertarian values, but they might not be willing to go without state schools for their children. And even if they did, their neighbors don't. And Boston has too much influence over the state.
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2016, 09:21:35 AM »

The conventional wisdom is that New Hampshire is a fairly libertarian place.  With Trump, Kaisch, and Christie outpolling both Republican Liberty Caucus candidates in Cruz and Paul in New Hampshire it appears that conventional wisdom is incorrect.  Is it regional bias (Cruz and Paul being Southerners) or something else?
The state motto is "Live Free or Die".  New Hampshire does not have an income tax on wage income nor a sales tax, so traditionally has relied on property taxes to provide services at the local level. With a relative small population it doesn't need or can't afford a massive state bureaucracy. You can't rail against the politicians "up in Concord" and be taken seriously. If you were from Massachusetts or New York, you would probably regard New Hampshire as libertarian.

There was an effort a few years ago to get a group of Libertarians to move to New Hampshire, with an effort to take over the state politically. You might reason that a cadre of 50,000 persons might be able to take over the state. But if you have a cadre taking over a state it will disintegrate into folks fighting for power. Most people need a job to live somewhere, and I don't think that many people moved.

Techies in Nashua and Manchester may have interest in Libertarian values, but they might not be willing to go without state schools for their children. And even if they did, their neighbors don't. And Boston has too much influence over the state.

This is pretty accurate, I'd say.
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