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« on: January 13, 2016, 12:00:08 AM »

You can just smell the desperation from the Clintons.
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2016, 12:02:07 AM »

This is not untrue, because Sanders wants single payer. It's a moot point, though, because it would never get through Congress.

Well regardless, he'd either keep it or replace it with something better.
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2016, 01:48:15 AM »

“I believe that by the year 2000 we will have a single payer system. I don’t think it’s — I don’t even think it’s a close call politically. I think the momentum for a single payer system will sweep the country.”  - Hillary Clinton

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2014/december/hillary-clinton-1994-statement-on-single-payer
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2016, 10:24:02 PM »

A lot of things have changed since 2000, particularly the cost of delivering healthcare. It's much more expensive now than it was then, and as we saw in Vermont, not even the most liberal states are willing to take on the burden of single payer.

Which is why it's more important than ever that it be implemented: the primary justification for doing so is a reduction in cost. It was 13% in 2000; it's 17.5% today.

Furthermore, individual states can't reasonably implement affordable universal health care for the same reason that individual states can't reasonably implement effective gun control measures. Only when it's the law of the land within 100% of our sovereign borders can you forcibly restrict access (in the case of guns) or forcibly lower costs (in the case of healthcare) and make it feasible.

I don't disagree with the general long term goal Griffin, but given the electoral response to Obamacare, would you not agree that pushing for single payer or something similar right now would be a poor use of political capital? Personally I'd try to change Obamacare at the margins while focusing my efforts elsewhere if I was a Dem pol.

Well yes, at this point (as I outlined in my tl;dr earlier), Democrats have not only exhausted the political capital surrounding healthcare and insurance for a generation, but they have also lost the ability to govern for a generation because of it. It's all rather hypothetical at this point.

I think Senator Dorgan warned of this. He said that Democrats should focus more on the economy, and presumably that would have included things like reinstating the Glass Steagall Act that he warned about repealing.
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2016, 11:20:20 PM »

I wonder who felt like attacking Sanders from the left would be a good idea...

Attacking Sanders for wanting to impose regressive taxes on the poor and middle class is not attacking him from the left.

Do you supporting repealing Social Security and Medicare?
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2016, 03:14:05 AM »

I wonder who felt like attacking Sanders from the left would be a good idea...

Attacking Sanders for wanting to impose regressive taxes on the poor and middle class is not attacking him from the left.

You keep repeating this allegation, but have yet to substantiate it, as far as I have seen. Link please.
He is citing Bernie Sanders' own filed legislation to establish a single payer system, which would replace medicaid and private insurance with a single payer system funded by a 6.7% increase in the payroll tax(regressive) and a modest 2.2% increase in the income tax, with higher taxes for those making more.

It is laid out very clearly in this article in the Washington Post.

The Washington Post represents the in the beltway establishment and has been ridiculously anti-Bernie. It's a 9% increase if you totally forgot that there's already an employer mandate.
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2016, 04:56:31 AM »

Bernie's healthcare plan would cost a typical family $-1823 to $-505 a year. Absolutely brutal, I don't know how a typical family can afford an average of $-1200 a year.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/13/how-much-would-bernie-sanders-health-care-plan-cos/
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