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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2016, 09:01:53 PM »

The Clinton v. Sanders dynamic is interesting because both candidates are almost universally liked by primary voters.  Its really a contest of priorities.  Clinton supporters are pragmatic, or even cynical.  Sanders supporters are idealistic, or even naive.

Clinton isn't going to get voters to dislike Sanders.  What she needs to do is change the mindset of the electorate.  She needs people to vote with their head, not with their heart.

She needs to remind people how hard it was to get Obamacare passed, even with a Democratic supermajority.  She needs to point out just how dysfunctional congress is, how it can barely pass a budget each year.  Her message should be that it takes more than hope to enact change, and she doesn't want the next president to have to learn the lessons of the past 8 years all over again. 
You nailed it. Why isn't this the chatter in the Clinton circles. They come off as the adversary. SMH
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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2016, 09:03:13 PM »

The Clinton v. Sanders dynamic is interesting because both candidates are almost universally liked by primary voters.  Its really a contest of priorities.  Clinton supporters are pragmatic, or even cynical.  Sanders supporters are idealistic, or even naive.

Clinton isn't going to get voters to dislike Sanders.  What she needs to do is change the mindset of the electorate.  She needs people to vote with their head, not with their heart.

She needs to remind people how hard it was to get Obamacare passed, even with a Democratic supermajority.  She needs to point out just how dysfunctional congress is, how it can barely pass a budget each year.  Her message should be that it takes more than hope to enact change, and she doesn't want the next president to have to learn the lessons of the past 8 years all over again. 

This is an angry and fed up electorate you are not to get people to vote with their head and not heart. Her issue is she is running as the status quo candidate in a change election. I think Democrats like Obamacare but they don't love it, a vast majority likely prefer single-payer and you saw how popular the public option was.
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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2016, 10:39:45 PM »

The Clinton v. Sanders dynamic is interesting because both candidates are almost universally liked by primary voters.  Its really a contest of priorities.  Clinton supporters are pragmatic, or even cynical.  Sanders supporters are idealistic, or even naive.

Clinton isn't going to get voters to dislike Sanders.  What she needs to do is change the mindset of the electorate.  She needs people to vote with their head, not with their heart.

She needs to remind people how hard it was to get Obamacare passed, even with a Democratic supermajority.  She needs to point out just how dysfunctional congress is, how it can barely pass a budget each year.  Her message should be that it takes more than hope to enact change, and she doesn't want the next president to have to learn the lessons of the past 8 years all over again. 

This is an angry and fed up electorate you are not to get people to vote with their head and not heart. Her issue is she is running as the status quo candidate in a change election. I think Democrats like Obamacare but they don't love it, a vast majority likely prefer single-payer and you saw how popular the public option was.
I disagree.  The best way to get people to vote with their heart is to give them hope.  Anger can make voters lash out by choosing an outsider, but it can also inspire cynicism, which doesn't help Sanders at all.   Anyway, the talking points I suggested actually work to channel anger at the system.  Appealing to all of the Obama voters who were massively let down by the 'hope and change' mantra of 2008.
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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2016, 10:57:39 PM »

The Clinton v. Sanders dynamic is interesting because both candidates are almost universally liked by primary voters.  Its really a contest of priorities.  Clinton supporters are pragmatic, or even cynical.  Sanders supporters are idealistic, or even naive.

Clinton isn't going to get voters to dislike Sanders.  What she needs to do is change the mindset of the electorate.  She needs people to vote with their head, not with their heart.

She needs to remind people how hard it was to get Obamacare passed, even with a Democratic supermajority.  She needs to point out just how dysfunctional congress is, how it can barely pass a budget each year.  Her message should be that it takes more than hope to enact change, and she doesn't want the next president to have to learn the lessons of the past 8 years all over again. 

This is an angry and fed up electorate you are not to get people to vote with their head and not heart. Her issue is she is running as the status quo candidate in a change election. I think Democrats like Obamacare but they don't love it, a vast majority likely prefer single-payer and you saw how popular the public option was.

Often liberals have to make a decision between their head and their heart. With Bernie, both have them choosing him. Bernie gets things done.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2016, 11:03:05 PM »

Formula for most #Analysis regarding Clinton:

"x is the wrong strategy and is hurting Hillary Clinton. Bernie's chances in Iowa and New Hampshire are higher than ever!"

x of course representing literally any move the Clinton campaign makes, whether it be criticizing Sanders, acknowledging Sanders, ignoring Sanders, sending out fundraising emails, attacking Trump ignoring Trump, advocating for her policies, etc.

At this point, a lot of people just erupt in outrage whenever Clinton has the nerve to say her ideas are better than Saint Bernie's.
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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2016, 11:12:30 PM »

Its helping Bernie haul in that cash, that's for sure. Thanks Hillary!
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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2016, 11:13:26 PM »

Formula for most #Analysis regarding Clinton:

"x is the wrong strategy and is hurting Hillary Clinton. Bernie's chances in Iowa and New Hampshire are higher than ever!"

x of course representing literally any move the Clinton campaign makes, whether it be criticizing Sanders, acknowledging Sanders, ignoring Sanders, sending out fundraising emails, attacking Trump ignoring Trump, advocating for her policies, etc.

At this point, a lot of people just erupt in outrage whenever Clinton has the nerve to say her ideas are better than Saint Bernie's.

Please, chill. You're reaching ProgressiveCanadian levels of hackery. Any sane Democrat would vote for the nominee, rather than handing the election to Trump or Cruz. But I guess your hero worship of Hillary Clinton has simply reached an all time high.
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2016, 11:16:55 PM »

That's pretty rich coming from someone who happens to be nearly the worst poster on Atlas.
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2016, 11:17:43 PM »

At this point, a lot of people just erupt in outrage whenever Clinton has the nerve to say her ideas are better than Saint Bernie's.

...peace be upon him!
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2016, 11:18:41 PM »

That's pretty rich coming from someone who happens to be nearly the worst poster on Atlas.

Ebsy, Ebsy, Ebsy. Rightfully calling out a shillary or two does not make me 'nearly the worst poster on Atlas'. You've been drinking far too much Hillary Kool-Aid.
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2016, 11:19:07 PM »

That's pretty rich coming from someone who happens to be nearly the worst poster on Atlas.
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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2016, 11:19:36 PM »

Formula for most #Analysis regarding Clinton:

"x is the wrong strategy and is hurting Hillary Clinton. Bernie's chances in Iowa and New Hampshire are higher than ever!"

x of course representing literally any move the Clinton campaign makes, whether it be criticizing Sanders, acknowledging Sanders, ignoring Sanders, sending out fundraising emails, attacking Trump ignoring Trump, advocating for her policies, etc.

At this point, a lot of people just erupt in outrage whenever Clinton has the nerve to say her ideas are better than Saint Bernie's.

Please, chill. You're reaching ProgressiveCanadian levels of hackery. Any sane Democrat would vote for the nominee, rather than handing the election to Trump or Cruz. But I guess your hero worship of Hillary Clinton has simply reached an all time high.

You should probably re-read the post you quoted because nowhere did Ebsy say some Democrats wouldn't vote for the nominee.
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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2016, 11:25:25 PM »

Csx is that "clever" type of troll who just goes around calling everyone else a troll.
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2016, 12:18:05 AM »

Formula for most #Analysis regarding Clinton:

"x is the wrong strategy and is hurting Hillary Clinton. Bernie's chances in Iowa and New Hampshire are higher than ever!"

x of course representing literally any move the Clinton campaign makes, whether it be criticizing Sanders, acknowledging Sanders, ignoring Sanders, sending out fundraising emails, attacking Trump ignoring Trump, advocating for her policies, etc.

At this point, a lot of people just erupt in outrage whenever Clinton has the nerve to say her ideas are better than Saint Bernie's.

Please, chill. You're reaching ProgressiveCanadian levels of hackery. Any sane Democrat would vote for the nominee, rather than handing the election to Trump or Cruz. But I guess your hero worship of Hillary Clinton has simply reached an all time high.

Well, 20% of Democrats will defect for Trump according to a recent poll, so whether or not those people are sane, that's happening.
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