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« on: January 13, 2016, 07:42:00 PM »

Ted Cruz Didn’t Disclose Loan From Goldman Sachs for His First Senate Campaign

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Senator Cruz's flagrant disrespect for our nations' laws is now clear.
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2016, 08:11:23 PM »

This does not bode well for Senator Cruz. I suspect everyone from Bush to Trump is giggling, though.
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2016, 08:17:52 PM »

So is TRUMP going to completely sweep the Republican primaries? excellent news!
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2016, 09:10:52 PM »

Ted Cruz Didn’t Disclose Loan From Goldman Sachs for His First Senate Campaign

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Senator Cruz's flagrant disrespect for our nations' laws is now clear.

Trump's ticket to victory.
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2016, 09:44:52 PM »

I would not count Cruz out by any means. 
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2016, 09:50:52 PM »

GOP primary voters - and in this case, Cruz's supporters specifically - aren't going to care one bit about this. Too many people within the GOP think that anyone should be able to spend any amount of money through any method in the electoral process: why would they be upset at him for "sticking it to the man"?
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2016, 10:08:51 PM »

Even if this isn't significant, Cruz now has to cope with a headline that includes his name and GOLDMAN SACHS running just a couple of weeks before the caucuses. Not good, particularly for a candidate who has seen more than his share of negative stories over the past two weeks.
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2016, 10:20:29 PM »

The debate tomorrow may be fortuitous for resetting the news cycle.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2016, 10:45:24 PM »

The debate tomorrow may be fortuitous for resetting the news cycle.

Or amplifying it, depending on how it goes.
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2016, 12:46:06 AM »

I though Democrats only cared about the Obamacare laws.
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2016, 12:47:26 AM »

And the obvious corruption of Ted Cruz comes out.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2016, 02:12:00 AM »

Disturbing stuff.
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2016, 02:40:00 AM »

I would not count Cruz out by any means. 

You don’t have to count him out… it’s enough if he’s weakened seriously. However, I stay with my prediction that Rubio will be the nominee.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2016, 09:16:38 AM »

I would not count Cruz out by any means. 

You don’t have to count him out… it’s enough if he’s weakened seriously. However, I stay with my prediction that Rubio will be the nominee.
Rubio or Cruz would be great.  Who knows what crazy drama would play out in international affairs should Trump get in?  He would insult every world leader eventually.
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2016, 09:23:13 AM »

GOP primary voters - and in this case, Cruz's supporters specifically - aren't going to care one bit about this.
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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2016, 10:29:36 AM »
« Edited: January 14, 2016, 10:31:41 AM by Torie »

The key unknown fact is whether the loan in question was properly underwritten. Was it a sweat heart loan made to buy influence, or one justified by the security put up or income stream or whatever? Sure, if the proceeds of the loan were used in the campaign, and he was legally required to report that, and he did not, he will have to explain that too. I am not sure however what his motive would have been to deliberately cover that up. I assume that it is legal to personally borrow money to finance your campaign.
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2016, 10:42:08 AM »

The key unknown fact is whether the loan in question was properly underwritten. Was it a sweat heart loan made to buy influence, or one justified by the security put up or income stream or whatever? Sure, if the proceeds of the loan were used in the campaign, and he was legally required to report that, and he did not, he will have to explain that too. I am not sure however what his motive would have been to deliberately cover that up. I assume that it is legal to personally borrow money to finance your campaign.

The loan was underwritten by the Cruz's investments and savings...  the same investments and savings that Cruz repeatedly claimed he and his wife had "liquidated" and put into his campaign. It is absolutely legal to personally borrow money to finance a campaign, but you have to tell the FEC that is what you did Cruz "forgot" that last bit. Oops.

The two things Cruz appears to have done "wrong":

1) failed to disclose the source of much of "his" campaign funds to the FEC

2) told voters he was using his own money, while campaigning against Goldman Sachs (which his wife worked for) when in fact he was funding his campaign via a loan from the very company he was railing against (secured by his own wealth).

The first is a flat-out violation of election law. Not that there's much of a penalty. The second is perfectly legal, but may or may not hurt his chances in future elections.

I suspect how this plays out will be heavily influenced by tonight's debate.
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2016, 10:47:18 AM »

This also raises the question of how Cruz is funding his presidential campaign. No doubt opposition researchers are on that one...
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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2016, 07:43:54 PM »

Well this is concerning.
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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2016, 07:55:36 PM »

But Hillary totally didn't...multiple times
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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2016, 08:03:07 PM »

I think it'll be hard for Ted Cruz to be President from a prison cell.
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2016, 08:12:15 PM »
« Edited: January 14, 2016, 08:27:26 PM by Virginia »

But Hillary totally didn't...multiple times

Yes, and so many go on and on about it. So when her GOP contenders also break the law, people will also talk about that. Clinton doing something is irrelevant in this discussion.

Always interesting why in some new Clinton 'scandal' threads, no one is ever like, "But Walker totally didn't", or "But Christie totally didn't", and so on.
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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2016, 08:23:21 PM »

The key unknown fact is whether the loan in question was properly underwritten. Was it a sweat heart loan made to buy influence, or one justified by the security put up or income stream or whatever? Sure, if the proceeds of the loan were used in the campaign, and he was legally required to report that, and he did not, he will have to explain that too. I am not sure however what his motive would have been to deliberately cover that up. I assume that it is legal to personally borrow money to finance your campaign.
Both loans were collateralized by brokerage accounts.

The concern would be if someone made a personal loan of more than $2500 to avoid contribution limits, and then later forgave the loan.
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2016, 11:05:23 AM »


I think it'll be hard for Ted Cruz to be President from a prison cell.

OMG LATTER DAY EUGENE DEBS!!!
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2016, 11:43:32 AM »

The key unknown fact is whether the loan in question was properly underwritten. Was it a sweat heart loan made to buy influence, or one justified by the security put up or income stream or whatever? Sure, if the proceeds of the loan were used in the campaign, and he was legally required to report that, and he did not, he will have to explain that too. I am not sure however what his motive would have been to deliberately cover that up. I assume that it is legal to personally borrow money to finance your campaign.
Both loans were collateralized by brokerage accounts.

The concern would be if someone made a personal loan of more than $2500 to avoid contribution limits, and then later forgave the loan.

Actually, the concern is that Cruz didn't obey the law. But as it turns out, it doesn't seem like that will matter. Probably because none of his peers (on either side of the aisle) want to rock the boat with crazy ideas like "obeying the law".
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