Clinton gets criticized after attacking Sanders at one of her rallies

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/hillary-clintons-latest-attack-on-bernie-sanders-shows-shes-a-rotten-candidate/


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[Fusionmunster]

Jennifer Rubin? Ahh okay, its garbage then.

[Ebsy]

I don't even know where to start with this dumpster fire.

[7,052,770]

She needs to attack Bernie's specific plan, not single payer in general. The UK, for example, has a far better system than the USA, even though it's beyond unfeasible to ever establish a system like that here.

She needs to emphasize that Bernie's plan is a takeoff on Canada's system, which is inferior to the system we already have (Obamacare, but that should always be framed as the "American" health care system because that's what it is).

[Suburbia]

She needs to attack Bernie's specific plan, not single payer in general. The UK, for example, has a far better system than the USA, even though it's beyond unfeasible to ever establish a system like that here.

She needs to emphasize that Bernie's plan is a takeoff on Canada's system, which is inferior to the system we already have (Obamacare, but that should always be framed as the "American" health care system because that's what it is).

[Cory]

She needs to emphasize that Bernie's plan is a takeoff on Canada's system, which is inferior to the system we already have (Obamacare, but that should always be framed as the "American" health care system because that's what it is).

I'm sure that line will sell with the liberal base in Iowa and New Hampshire.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

The way she is dealing with what is essentially an ephemeral Bill Bradley style maverick camp is not a good harbringer for the general campaign IMO

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She's setting herself up to be destroyed tomorrow night.

[DrScholl]

If we want to talk about the general election campaign, let's talk about how Bernie is going to be able to avoid explaining how he would pay for a single payer system that eliminates private insurance. And it's really a moot point, because it has to get through Congress. I'm assuming he thinks he can do whatever he wants by executive order, but that's definitely not going to be an argument that holds up in the general election.

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Am I the only one who finds it hilarious how the Hillary hacks whine about how Sandernistas won't support Hillary in the general election, yet it's clear that they wouldn't support Sanders in the general election?

[Virginiá]

If we want to talk about the general election campaign, let's talk about how Bernie is going to be able to avoid explaining how he would pay for a single payer system that eliminates private insurance. And it's really a moot point, because it has to get through Congress. I'm assuming he thinks he can do whatever he wants by executive order, but that's definitely not going to be an argument that holds up in the general election.

I don't even understand why healthcare reform is once again the hot topic. Just the attempt at reform in the early 1990s helped Democrats lose Congress, and nearly 20 years later, actual-yet-shoddy reform once again helped Democrats lose Congress. We have many other issues that desperately need attention - College affordability/student loans, infrastructure investment, reigning in corporate abuse of the system, etc. They need to stop with healthcare for now. It's not going to go over well with an electorate that is clearly still conservative and unwilling to support major reforms of the healthcare system.

Besides, even if they somehow cobbled together majorities for this, I doubt they could pass anything like what they dream of. Instead, it would be another shoddy bill filled with special interest giveaways.

They just need to shut up about this. Both of them.

[Asian Nazi]

The way she is dealing with what is essentially an ephemeral Bill Bradley style maverick camp is not a good harbringer for the general campaign IMO

Yeah, for real.  I've said it before and I'll say it again.  She should just ignore the loon.

[NeverAgain]

If we want to talk about the general election campaign, let's talk about how Bernie is going to be able to avoid explaining how he would pay for a single payer system that eliminates private insurance. And it's really a moot point, because it has to get through Congress. I'm assuming he thinks he can do whatever he wants by executive order, but that's definitely not going to be an argument that holds up in the general election.

I don't even understand why healthcare reform is once again the hot topic. Just the attempt at reform in the early 1990s helped Democrats lose Congress, and nearly 20 years later, actual-yet-shoddy reform once again helped Democrats lose Congress. We have many other issues that desperately need attention - College affordability/student loans, infrastructure investment, reigning in corporate abuse of the system, etc. They need to stop with healthcare for now. It's not going to go over well with an electorate that is clearly still conservative and unwilling to support major reforms of the healthcare system.

Besides, even if they somehow cobbled together majorities for this, I doubt they could pass anything like what they dream of. Instead, it would be another shoddy bill filled with special interest giveaways.

They just need to shut up about this. Both of them.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/229959-majority-still-support-single-payer-option-poll-finds

[Virginiá]

If we want to talk about the general election campaign, let's talk about how Bernie is going to be able to avoid explaining how he would pay for a single payer system that eliminates private insurance. And it's really a moot point, because it has to get through Congress. I'm assuming he thinks he can do whatever he wants by executive order, but that's definitely not going to be an argument that holds up in the general election.

I don't even understand why healthcare reform is once again the hot topic. Just the attempt at reform in the early 1990s helped Democrats lose Congress, and nearly 20 years later, actual-yet-shoddy reform once again helped Democrats lose Congress. We have many other issues that desperately need attention - College affordability/student loans, infrastructure investment, reigning in corporate abuse of the system, etc. They need to stop with healthcare for now. It's not going to go over well with an electorate that is clearly still conservative and unwilling to support major reforms of the healthcare system.

Besides, even if they somehow cobbled together majorities for this, I doubt they could pass anything like what they dream of. Instead, it would be another shoddy bill filled with special interest giveaways.

They just need to shut up about this. Both of them.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/229959-majority-still-support-single-payer-option-poll-finds

I purposefully said 'electorate', as in people who vote.  As long as the midterms skew towards more conservative, older people, they aren't going to take kindly to it with Republicans pouring gasoline on the fire they set. Democrats would get blown out again after passing it.

Also, as I said, it's virtually guaranteed that whatever they would get to a vote would not be what we think. Not until we get money out of politics. This issue alone will give fuel to critics.

It's just frustrating that they devote so much time to this idea that won't come together like they think and will cost them big if they did it at this specific point in time. More importantly, they won't be able to put together the votes for such a bill. No one will want to touch healthcare reform in Congress after the debacle that was PPACA.

[Hillary pays minimum wage]

We need to see this happen to more politicians.

[Pyro]

Just don't understand Clinton's strategy here. If she wants to win over liberal support after the primary, she should probably quit attacking policies that much of the Democratic base is in favor of. Any line of attack that includes the "magic wand" or the (laughable) "I stood up to Wall Street" talking points will ultimately fail because her reputation as an establishment politician is already set in stone.

There are far more viable ways to attack Sanders. She can win on foreign policy experience, she can win on the gun issue, and, in what I believe is her best bet, she can win by calling out the vagueness of Sanders' tax/healthcare/inequality/etc reform plans.

[Vega]

She needs to attack Bernie's specific plan, not single payer in general. The UK, for example, has a far better system than the USA, even though it's beyond unfeasible to ever establish a system like that here.

She needs to emphasize that Bernie's plan is a takeoff on Canada's system, which is inferior to the system we already have (Obamacare, but that should always be framed as the "American" health care system because that's what it is).

What makes you think that, or is just because of the politics of Congress that you think that?

[cwt]

The title is extremely misleading.

She got "booed" by a journalist writing an article. The title makes it sound like the crowd booed her at her rally.

[EliteLX]

The way she is dealing with what is essentially an ephemeral Bill Bradley style maverick camp is not a good harbringer for the general campaign IMO

Yeah, for real.  I've said it before and I'll say it again.  She should just ignore the loon.

With all due respect, quit underestimating his campaign like he's O'Malley or something. He is on getting to close to being on her tail and has a movement way stronger than Clinton's, she's just automatically held a group of baseline Dem's because of her name.

Although I obviously do not support either campaign, it looks really petty to bash on a campaign that's made unbelievable progress, has the strongest roots we've seen in presidential politics in the past decade or so, and is running up on Hilldog's tail rather quickly.

[7,052,770]

She needs to attack Bernie's specific plan, not single payer in general. The UK, for example, has a far better system than the USA, even though it's beyond unfeasible to ever establish a system like that here.

She needs to emphasize that Bernie's plan is a takeoff on Canada's system, which is inferior to the system we already have (Obamacare, but that should always be framed as the "American" health care system because that's what it is).

What makes you think that, or is just because of the politics of Congress that you think that?

A government takeover of every hospital in the country would be a tall order if there were 535 Sandernistas in Congress.

Even though it would theoretically be more efficient and cost-effective in the medium- and long-term, think about how many people who regularly see their doctors who would have some kind of disruption. And think about all of the people who work in the health care industry that would potentially be put out of a job.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

This article in and of itself is extremely misleading. First of all, as stated before, Jennifer Rubin is booing Hillary, not the crowd. Second, she isn't attacking the idea of single-payer, she's attacking Sanders' plan because he and his campaign keep refusing to say how they'll pay for it. They keep saying "Before Iowa votes, we'll show everyone where the money will come from." Well Iowa votes in 2 weeks and there doesn't seem to be any plan.

[Asian Nazi]

With all due respect, quit underestimating his campaign like he's O'Malley or something. He is on getting to close to being on her tail and has a movement way stronger than Clinton's, she's just automatically held a group of baseline Dem's because of her name.

Although I obviously do not support either campaign, it looks really petty to bash on a campaign that's made unbelievable progress, has the strongest roots we've seen in presidential politics in the past decade or so, and is running up on Hilldog's tail rather quickly.

lolk

[Trapsy]

This article in and of itself is extremely misleading. First of all, as stated before, Jennifer Rubin is booing Hillary, not the crowd. Second, she isn't attacking the idea of single-payer, she's attacking Sanders' plan because he and his campaign keep refusing to say how they'll pay for it. They keep saying "Before Iowa votes, we'll show everyone where the money will come from." Well Iowa votes in 2 weeks and there doesn't seem to be any plan.

Iowa state director, Robert Becker, told the Des Moines Register that “Bernie Sanders will put forth details for universal coverage when he is ready and not because Hillary Clinton suddenly realized she is losing.”

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

This article in and of itself is extremely misleading. First of all, as stated before, Jennifer Rubin is booing Hillary, not the crowd. Second, she isn't attacking the idea of single-payer, she's attacking Sanders' plan because he and his campaign keep refusing to say how they'll pay for it. They keep saying "Before Iowa votes, we'll show everyone where the money will come from." Well Iowa votes in 2 weeks and there doesn't seem to be any plan.

Iowa state director, Robert Becker, told the Des Moines Register that “Bernie Sanders will put forth details for universal coverage when he is ready and not because Hillary Clinton suddenly realized she is losing.”

So basically "Bernie Sander will put forth details for universal coverage when he comes up with them, not because Hillary Clinton is rightly calling him for being vague."

[Holmes]

Sanders supporters and right-wingers make interesting bedfellows.