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« on: January 17, 2016, 04:58:52 PM »

Karl Rove has decided his money would be well spent in trying to help Bernie Sanders win Iowa. B-b-b-ut I thought Bernie was more electable! I thought the GOP feared him and wanted to run against Hillary desperately! Reince Priebus and year early polls told me so!

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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2016, 05:01:06 PM »

Where do we even start with this hackery?
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2016, 05:02:24 PM »

Hopefully her team is on this and she'll mention it during the debate.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2016, 05:09:56 PM »

This is actually a brilliant move by the GOP. 
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2016, 05:31:43 PM »

So, IceSpear, who exactly said that??
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2016, 05:53:57 PM »

Wouldn't surprise me if Bernie's campaign had signed off on these. Pretty disgusting stuff.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2016, 06:13:52 PM »

I would call this "disgusting", but it's pretty much the same strategy Claire McCaskill used. Although, come to think of it, this ad is more hypocritical than the ones she ran.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2016, 06:24:03 PM »

Well, Karl Rove is probably person non grata on Wall Street these days, after wasting a billion dollars from them in 2012.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2016, 06:27:15 PM »

Not surprising, though I wonder how Karl Rove is even getting this money.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2016, 06:29:56 PM »

We should all rally around Bernie Sanders #FeelTheBern yeah socialism
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2016, 06:33:46 PM »

I would call this "disgusting", but it's pretty much the same strategy Claire McCaskill used. Although, come to think of it, this ad is more hypocritical than the ones she ran.

I wouldn't really say it's "disgusting", it's actually pretty smart strategy. But it does show all the talk about how Bernie is more electable (even stated by Priebus himself) is nothing but hot air. Follow the money and the right wing attacks and you'll see who the GOP actually fears.
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2016, 06:36:51 PM »

The problem with that is that some people seem to be under the mistaken belief that the many hardcore Sandernistas would vote for Hillary in the general election. They are dead wrong. Trust me, any average Sandernista has a hatred for Hillary Clinton, and for good reason. Not only that, but the Sanders campaign has got many people involved in politics, and r/sandersforpresident mobilizes its members amazingly. Honestly, if Sanders lost the nomination, r/sandersforpresident would likely become r/steinforpresident. After that, it'd be the 2000 election all over again, and everything would go to hell for the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2016, 06:38:34 PM »

Everybody but the delusional Sandernistas realizes that the old man is an unelectable loon.
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2016, 06:39:03 PM »

The problem with that is that some people seem to be under the mistaken belief that the many hardcore Sandernistas would vote for Hillary in the general election. They are dead wrong. Trust me, any average Sandernista has a hatred for Hillary Clinton, and for good reason. Not only that, but the Sanders campaign has got many people involved in politics, and r/sandersforpresident mobilizes its members amazingly. Honestly, if Sanders lost the nomination, r/sandersforpresident would likely become r/steinforpresident. After that, it'd be the 2000 election all over again, and everything would go to hell for the Democratic Party.

Jill Stein Is courting the Sandernistas votes hard lately
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2016, 06:39:38 PM »

Everybody but the delusional Sandernistas realizes that the old man is an unelectable loon.

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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2016, 06:42:51 PM »

The problem with that is that some people seem to be under the mistaken belief that the many hardcore Sandernistas would vote for Hillary in the general election. They are dead wrong. Trust me, any average Sandernista has a hatred for Hillary Clinton, and for good reason. Not only that, but the Sanders campaign has got many people involved in politics, and r/sandersforpresident mobilizes its members amazingly. Honestly, if Sanders lost the nomination, r/sandersforpresident would likely become r/steinforpresident. After that, it'd be the 2000 election all over again, and everything would go to hell for the Democratic Party.

The frothing at the mouth Bernie cultists on the internet are not representative of the average Sanders supporter. If they were, and the average Sandernista would "never vote for her", simple mathematics would suggest her favorability rating among Democrats would be very lukewarm (it's actually stellar), and she'd be trailing any Republican nationally by 10+ points (she's not.)
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2016, 06:43:19 PM »

The problem with that is that some people seem to be under the mistaken belief that the many hardcore Sandernistas would vote for Hillary in the general election. They are dead wrong. Trust me, any average Sandernista has a hatred for Hillary Clinton, and for good reason. Not only that, but the Sanders campaign has got many people involved in politics, and r/sandersforpresident mobilizes its members amazingly. Honestly, if Sanders lost the nomination, r/sandersforpresident would likely become r/steinforpresident. After that, it'd be the 2000 election all over again, and everything would go to hell for the Democratic Party.
The denizens of r/Sanderforpresident, thankfully, are not representative of the average Sanders supporter.  The polling shows that most Sanders supporters have a positive or neutral opinion of Clinton.
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2016, 06:45:52 PM »

The problem with that is that some people seem to be under the mistaken belief that the many hardcore Sandernistas would vote for Hillary in the general election. They are dead wrong. Trust me, any average Sandernista has a hatred for Hillary Clinton, and for good reason. Not only that, but the Sanders campaign has got many people involved in politics, and r/sandersforpresident mobilizes its members amazingly. Honestly, if Sanders lost the nomination, r/sandersforpresident would likely become r/steinforpresident. After that, it'd be the 2000 election all over again, and everything would go to hell for the Democratic Party.

I thought about that but Sander people would actually convert to Hillary in the GE with his endorsement and you add a Warren endorsement too. The people who say they won't vote for her are some hardliners.
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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2016, 06:49:31 PM »

The problem with that is that some people seem to be under the mistaken belief that the many hardcore Sandernistas would vote for Hillary in the general election. They are dead wrong. Trust me, any average Sandernista has a hatred for Hillary Clinton, and for good reason. Not only that, but the Sanders campaign has got many people involved in politics, and r/sandersforpresident mobilizes its members amazingly. Honestly, if Sanders lost the nomination, r/sandersforpresident would likely become r/steinforpresident. After that, it'd be the 2000 election all over again, and everything would go to hell for the Democratic Party.

I thought about that but Sander people would actually convert to Hillary in the GE with his endorsement and you add a Warren endorsement too. The people who say they won't vote for her are some hardliners.

Didn't Warren make a major announcement about not endorsing Hillary? Likewise, I seriously doubt Sanders would endorse Hillary.
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2016, 06:49:49 PM »

The problem with that is that some people seem to be under the mistaken belief that the many hardcore Sandernistas would vote for Hillary in the general election. They are dead wrong. Trust me, any average Sandernista has a hatred for Hillary Clinton, and for good reason. Not only that, but the Sanders campaign has got many people involved in politics, and r/sandersforpresident mobilizes its members amazingly. Honestly, if Sanders lost the nomination, r/sandersforpresident would likely become r/steinforpresident. After that, it'd be the 2000 election all over again, and everything would go to hell for the Democratic Party.

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2016, 06:52:38 PM »

The problem with that is that some people seem to be under the mistaken belief that the many hardcore Sandernistas would vote for Hillary in the general election. They are dead wrong. Trust me, any average Sandernista has a hatred for Hillary Clinton, and for good reason. Not only that, but the Sanders campaign has got many people involved in politics, and r/sandersforpresident mobilizes its members amazingly. Honestly, if Sanders lost the nomination, r/sandersforpresident would likely become r/steinforpresident. After that, it'd be the 2000 election all over again, and everything would go to hell for the Democratic Party.

I thought about that but Sander people would actually convert to Hillary in the GE with his endorsement and you add a Warren endorsement too. The people who say they won't vote for her are some hardliners.

Didn't Warren make a major announcement about not endorsing Hillary? Likewise, I seriously doubt Sanders would endorse Hillary.

Warren is actually stuck in a weird position where she can't endorse either one without it damaging her in the future. Sanders would endorse Hillary unless something crazy happened but who knows.
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2016, 06:58:25 PM »

Nothing about this is surprising. Clinton remains the overwhelming favorite to win the nomination, and it's no shock that Republicans are interested in scoring a few early hits on the probable Democratic nominee.

Anyone who believes that Clinton's "Wall Street cash" won't be a major attack theme for Republicans in the general election is kidding themselves. Particularly if Trump is the nominee. Sanders' apparent success with this message only demonstrates its potential. And you don't need to be to Clinton's left to make this populist line of attack work.
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2016, 07:01:53 PM »

No matter who wins, I'm staying the hell out of this subforum for the days after Iowa.
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2016, 07:03:28 PM »

The problem with that is that some people seem to be under the mistaken belief that the many hardcore Sandernistas would vote for Hillary in the general election. They are dead wrong. Trust me, any average Sandernista has a hatred for Hillary Clinton, and for good reason. Not only that, but the Sanders campaign has got many people involved in politics, and r/sandersforpresident mobilizes its members amazingly. Honestly, if Sanders lost the nomination, r/sandersforpresident would likely become r/steinforpresident. After that, it'd be the 2000 election all over again, and everything would go to hell for the Democratic Party.

Jill Stein Is courting the Sandernistas votes hard lately

I'm sure she will have as much success as President McCain had courting the PUMAs.
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2016, 07:03:58 PM »

Nothing about this is surprising. Clinton remains the overwhelming favorite to win the nomination, and it's no shock that Republicans are interested in scoring a few early hits on the probable Democratic nominee.

Anyone who believes that Clinton's "Wall Street cash" won't be a major attack theme for Republicans in the general election is kidding themselves. Particularly if Trump is the nominee. Sanders' apparent success with this message only demonstrates its potential. And you don't need to be to Clinton's left to make this populist line of attack work.

They're not running it just to "score early hits" though. If they were, they'd be running it in Ohio, Florida, etc. Instead they're running it in just Iowa. It's clearly meant to prop up the Sanders campaign. Any other benefit is secondary.

To political junkies, it was obvious what McCaskill was doing in 2012. But her ads weren't aimed at political junkies. And they worked. Rove is trying the same exact thing.
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