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« on: May 24, 2005, 09:28:19 PM »
« edited: May 24, 2005, 09:31:02 PM by Cashcow »

That a state cannot secede from the Union?

Maybe Philip can help me out here.

Edit: Before the Civil War
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2005, 09:35:54 PM »

It's in the box score from the Civil War.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2005, 09:36:14 PM »

It's in the box score from the Civil War.

LOL!
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2005, 09:37:18 PM »

That a state cannot secede from the Union?

Maybe Philip can help me out here.

Edit: Before the Civil War

Didn't Vermont try to secede from the union during the early 1800s in opposition to ......I think the war of 1812. There were objections to the secession of Vermont along the lines of "it is unconstitutional". I would look into that further.
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2005, 12:28:30 AM »

Its tattooed to the inside of my anus.
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2005, 06:07:35 AM »


The point being that there are a number of things that are not specifically spelled out in the Constitution and must be settled by other means.  The Civil War settled the issue of secession in practice similar to the way John Tyler settled the issue of presidential succession.  Neither was spelled out in the Constitution.
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2005, 06:11:37 AM »

Abe Lincoln and the Unconditional Unionists used to argue that the Constitution claims to seek to establish a "more perfect union" than the Articles of Confederation, which did outlaw secession.
It's a conjecture, nothing more. Though not nearly as frivolous as Milk&Cereal's recent anti-Income Tax interpretation.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2005, 09:10:30 AM »

Its tattooed to the inside of my anus.

Is that true?  Boy, those Founding Fathers really were a crazy bunch.

"Listen Tom, Just in case anybody asks in future, I'm going to make sure its clearly set out that states can't break away from the Union."
"Excellent plan, George, where are you going to put it?"
"I'm going to write it on the rectum of a boy 200 years in the future.  Where nobody will ever find it."
"Genius, George, genius."
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2005, 09:30:55 AM »

That a state cannot secede from the Union?

Maybe Philip can help me out here.

Edit: Before the Civil War

Didn't Vermont try to secede from the union during the early 1800s in opposition to ......I think the war of 1812. There were objections to the secession of Vermont along the lines of "it is unconstitutional". I would look into that further.

I presume you are thinking of the Hartford Convention, but that wasn't really Vermontish in nature.  Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island had state delegations there, while Vermont and New Hampshire had delegations from some of their counties, but not official state delegations.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2005, 12:10:12 PM »


The Articles of Confederation established a perpetual union.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2005, 02:47:10 PM »


The Articles of Confederation established a perpetual union.

And that remained as a legal precedent before the Southern states began to secede? Is there anything in writing you could show me?
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2005, 02:55:07 PM »

Here's the text I mentioned: http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html

The Constitution is a series of amendments to the Articles of Confederation. "In order to form a more perfect union" is noteworthy - what is more unbreakable than a perpetual union made more perfect?

Furthermore, the Confederates, in their constitution, replaced this text, saying instead, "in order to form a permanent Federal government" - likely to have much the same effect.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2005, 03:07:18 PM »

I see what you're saying. Thanks.   
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