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« on: January 18, 2016, 06:41:38 pm »
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Is Ted Cruz eligible to be POTUS? Does it really matter if one meets the eligibility requirements anyway?
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2016, 06:42:05 pm »
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A. Yes.
B. It does matter.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2016, 06:43:25 pm »
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He's a damned citizen. The end.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2016, 06:44:01 pm »
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Who cares?  The whole situation is hilarious.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2016, 06:45:25 pm »
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He's a citizen and it's one of the 3 qualifications.
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2016, 06:46:20 pm »
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Yes via the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952 which goes over who is a natural born citizen. Cruz himself when I showed it to him said that it does because of Sections D and E of the specific section that I showed him
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2016, 07:04:30 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2016, 07:14:52 pm »
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Sorry, but I trust constitutional scholar Laurence Tribe over a bunch of teenagers on the internet. It is clear that Cruz is not eligible. It's a stupid law, but it's the law nonetheless.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2016, 07:22:05 pm »
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It is a legitimate question that deserves discussion.  There are a lot of intelligent, well-meaning individuals on both sides of this issue.  However, after extensive reading and a careful weighing of the arguments, I'm going to have to say that no, Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen and therefore is ineligible to become President of the United States.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2016, 07:38:49 pm »
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Sorry, but I trust constitutional scholar Laurence Tribe over a bunch of teenagers on the internet. It is clear that Cruz is not eligible. It's a stupid law, but it's the law nonetheless.

Teenagers on the internet are uniquely stupid.  I would've liked to see them barter about Obama's citizenship but citizenship isn't what's really on their minds.
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2016, 07:41:47 pm »
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Sorry, but I trust constitutional scholar Laurence Tribe over a bunch of teenagers on the internet. It is clear that Cruz is not eligible. It's a stupid law, but it's the law nonetheless.

Tribe didn't exactly say that Cruz was not eligible.

Tribe's argument, as I heard it, was not that Cruz was not eligible.  Tribe's argument was (A) that the present Supreme Court would find Cruz eligible, but (B) a SCOTUS made up of the kind of Justices Ted Cruz says he'd appoint would likely find Crus NOT eligible.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2016, 01:18:31 am »
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Yes, Cruz is a U.S. citizen and he is eligible to be President of the United States.

Trump is playing games and trying to discredit his main opponent.

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2016, 01:42:28 am »
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No, mentally imbalanced people are technically barred from serving in federal political office.
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2016, 01:47:33 am »
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Yes, of course he is. 
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2016, 05:09:34 am »
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He is eligible, but he won't be POTUS.
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2016, 07:08:35 am »
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Laurence Tribes' argument is based on sexism which I believe would be unconstitutional via constitutional amendment.
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2016, 09:12:03 am »
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Sorry, but I trust constitutional scholar Laurence Tribe over a bunch of teenagers on the internet. It is clear that Cruz is not eligible. It's a stupid law, but it's the law nonetheless.

That is an amazingly irresponsible thing for a lawyer to say. Really. And Tribe gets nowhere near to saying that. He says, if you take Cruz's approach to Constitutional interpretation, he's in trouble (I don't agree with that, but whatever). He was tweaking Cruz over that, more than the merits of the issue. If he were asked how he would vote on SCOTUS over this issue, he would say, of course I would rule that he is eligible.
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2016, 09:28:34 am »
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My favorite quote from the 2008 election:

Even in Alaska, the reaction was mixed. Republican House Speaker John Harris didn't much want to discuss Palin's qualifications for the nation's second-highest office.

"She's old enough," Harris said. "She's a U.S. citizen."
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2016, 10:36:39 am »
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Is Ted Cruz eligible to be POTUS? Does it really matter if one meets the eligibility requirements anyway?
If you meet the eligibility requirements then yes you're eligible? I don't get what point you're trying to ask with the 2nd question. If he meets the age and residency requirements does citizenship then matter? Because yeah, it does.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2016, 12:55:30 am »
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http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/09/dershowitz-tex-cruz-one-of-harvard-laws-smartest-students/

Famed Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz ranks Sen. Ted Cruz among the school’s smartest students, adding that the Canada-born Texan can run for president in 2016.

Dershowitz says Cruz is eligible to be President, case closed.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2016, 12:59:59 am »
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Yes and the debate needs to die in a massive fire already, no more birther nonsense
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