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« on: January 20, 2016, 12:23:06 AM »

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/689667274198913024



Awful.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 12:29:32 AM »

The HRC is as establishment-y as you can  get
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2016, 12:32:17 AM »

Calling them establishment groups isn't really an attack...
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2016, 12:33:27 AM »

Lol.
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2016, 12:35:16 AM »

Oh boo hoo they didn't endorse you. What did you expect?
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2016, 12:37:14 AM »

Yeah, well, the HRC is the establishment. He's not saying anything that's not factual, but it comes across as silly in this context. I really don't want to get started on HRC here, though.
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2016, 12:38:25 AM »

The President of the HRC has close ties to the Clinton's, so I'm not surprised.
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2016, 12:40:10 AM »

Oh boo hoo they didn't endorse you. What did you expect?
It's really sad that the spoiled entitlement culture of his supporters seems to be filtering up to him.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2016, 12:43:12 AM »

Calling them establishment groups isn't really an attack...
When your campaign is explicitly about fighting the establishment, and you label PP and the HRC establishment, then I think the implication is pretty clear...
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2016, 12:48:18 AM »

This is just weird. Sanders' campaign is supposed to be about progressive policy, not generic anti-establishment BS.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2016, 12:51:08 AM »

The HRC endorsed Hillary, so it makes sense he wouldn't be happy with them.
But what exactly is the context to this?
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2016, 12:52:18 AM »

In the full interview he also said he would have liked to have their endorsement. This isn't so much an attack as it is a clumsy transition away from an awkward moment of having to simultaneously praise these groups, while trying to minimize their importance to your primary opponent. This seems to be grasping at the straws a bit.
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2016, 12:53:51 AM »

When you attack groups for not endorsing you, it doesn't really look good. It looks weak and immature.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2016, 01:03:24 AM »
« Edited: January 20, 2016, 01:19:12 AM by YPestis25 »

The HRC endorsed Hillary, so it makes sense he wouldn't be happy with them.
But what exactly is the context to this?

Maddow basically asks him if he was disappointed he didn't get these endorsements since his policies line up with these organizations' goals, and if he'd competed for them, to which he replied he would have loved to have had them, and then pivoted into the establishment spiel.

Here's the link to the interview if anyone is interested: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-up-for-more-debates-with-dnc-or-not-604730435856
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2016, 01:16:36 AM »

He was asked why groups didn't endorse him and he gave a reasonable answer. This is a non-story. Only Clinton zombies are upset by this.
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2016, 01:27:19 AM »

He was asked why groups didn't endorse him and he gave a reasonable answer. This is a non-story. Only Clinton zombies are upset by this.

Planned Parenthood is already one of the most vilified organizations in America, constantly attacked by the right. I don't think it's too much to ask that Democratic presidential candidates, at least, don't go on television and attack it as well.
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2016, 01:29:44 AM »

Clinton supporters really grasping at anything these days.
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2016, 01:55:56 AM »

It's a bit whiny.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2016, 02:06:36 AM »

Hillary was open to banning some partial birth abortions in 2000, supported DOMA and DADT (Bernie voted against both) made a speech in favor of traditional marriage, and didn't support SSM until 2013. Very disappointing endorsements.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2016, 02:34:19 AM »

It's widely known that the Bill Clinton acquiesced to Don't Ask Don't Tell to help alleviate discrimination of closeted service member and the Defense of Marriage Act in order to prevent it from becoming a constitutional amendment. He was an enthusiastic supporter of neither, but he didn't let the perfect become the enemy of the good, especially in the case of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2016, 02:36:05 AM »

It's widely known that the Bill Clinton acquiesced to Don't Ask Don't Tell to help alleviate discrimination of closeted service member and the Defense of Marriage Act in order to prevent it from becoming a constitutional amendment. He was an enthusiastic supporter of neither, but he didn't let the perfect become the enemy of the good, especially in the case of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

There was zero talk of a constitutional amendment on SSM in 1996. He bragged about passing it when running for election. The claim that they had to do it is completely dishonest. And a majority of Democrats voted against the terrible DADT. Neither was good at all.
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2016, 02:42:14 AM »

It's widely known that the Bill Clinton acquiesced to Don't Ask Don't Tell to help alleviate discrimination of closeted service member and the Defense of Marriage Act in order to prevent it from becoming a constitutional amendment. He was an enthusiastic supporter of neither, but he didn't let the perfect become the enemy of the good, especially in the case of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

There was zero talk of a constitutional amendment on SSM in 1996. He bragged about passing it when running for election. The claim that they had to do it is completely dishonest. And a majority of Democrats voted against the terrible DADT. Neither was good at all.
Don't Ask, Don't Tell was definitely an improvement over the anti-gay witch-hunts that had characterized the military until then.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2016, 02:53:23 AM »
« Edited: January 20, 2016, 02:55:31 AM by Ogre Mage »

Clinton has been more of leader on defending reproductive rights than Sanders has been, particularly as far as this campaign is concerned.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/01/hillary-clintons-new-defense-of-abortion-rights.html

As for the HRC endorsement, I don't see her record on gay rights as better than Sanders.

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2016, 02:54:06 AM »

It's widely known that the Bill Clinton acquiesced to Don't Ask Don't Tell to help alleviate discrimination of closeted service member and the Defense of Marriage Act in order to prevent it from becoming a constitutional amendment. He was an enthusiastic supporter of neither, but he didn't let the perfect become the enemy of the good, especially in the case of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

There was zero talk of a constitutional amendment on SSM in 1996. He bragged about passing it when running for election. The claim that they had to do it is completely dishonest. And a majority of Democrats voted against the terrible DADT. Neither was good at all.
Don't Ask, Don't Tell was definitely an improvement over the anti-gay witch-hunts that had characterized the military until then.

Not much of an improvement, and almost half the House Democrats including Bernie voted against it at the time in 1993.

https://votesmart.org/bill/votes/15579#.Vp88lH_R-zd
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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2016, 02:56:54 AM »

Clinton has been more of leader on defending reproductive rights than Sanders has been, particularly as far as this campaign is concerned.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/01/hillary-clintons-new-defense-of-abortion-rights.html

As for the HRC endorsement, I don't see her record on gay rights as better than Sanders.

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The thing is Hillary said she was open to banning some partial birth abortion in 2000. Bernie has been consistently pro-choice since at least the early 1970s.
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