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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2016, 03:02:24 AM »

Clinton has been more of leader on defending reproductive rights than Sanders has been, particularly as far as this campaign is concerned.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/01/hillary-clintons-new-defense-of-abortion-rights.html

As for the HRC endorsement, I don't see her record on gay rights as better than Sanders.



The thing is Hillary said she was open to banning some partial birth abortion in 2000. Bernie has been consistently pro-choice since at least the early 1970s.

Read the article.  Sanders is a good vote on the issue, but he hasn't been out front on reproductive rights the way Clinton has been in this campaign.
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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2016, 03:17:05 AM »
« Edited: January 20, 2016, 03:19:16 AM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

Clinton has been more of leader on defending reproductive rights than Sanders has been, particularly as far as this campaign is concerned.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/01/hillary-clintons-new-defense-of-abortion-rights.html

As for the HRC endorsement, I don't see her record on gay rights as better than Sanders.



The thing is Hillary said she was open to banning some partial birth abortion in 2000. Bernie has been consistently pro-choice since at least the early 1970s.

Read the article.  Sanders is a good vote on the issue, but he hasn't been out front on reproductive rights the way Clinton has been in this campaign.

He went to Liberty U and told them he's pro-choice and pro SSM and that this country was founded on racism, it's not like he hides from his views. And while abortion is one of the few issues Hillary isn't terrible on, the fact is that he never said he'd be open to banning partial birth abortions.
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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2016, 03:44:06 AM »

Clinton has been more of leader on defending reproductive rights than Sanders has been, particularly as far as this campaign is concerned.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/01/hillary-clintons-new-defense-of-abortion-rights.html

As for the HRC endorsement, I don't see her record on gay rights as better than Sanders.



The thing is Hillary said she was open to banning some partial birth abortion in 2000. Bernie has been consistently pro-choice since at least the early 1970s.

Read the article.  Sanders is a good vote on the issue, but he hasn't been out front on reproductive rights the way Clinton has been in this campaign.

Jfern won't stop whining and bitching unless you admit that Bernie is the second coming of FDR.
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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2016, 06:20:08 AM »

There is no "attack" here. Come on.
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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2016, 06:42:10 AM »

He was asked why groups didn't endorse him and he gave a reasonable answer. This is a non-story. Only Clinton zombies are upset by this.

Planned Parenthood is already one of the most vilified organizations in America, constantly attacked by the right. I don't think it's too much to ask that Democratic presidential candidates, at least, don't go on television and attack it as well.

Now that I understand the context - that this wasn't just some unprovoked commentary out of the blue, which is how both you and Rubin framed it - it's actually quite docile and certainly not an attack. Considering Sanders is a class reductionist, a real attack would have looked something like this:

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It's widely known that the Bill Clinton acquiesced to Don't Ask Don't Tell to help alleviate discrimination of closeted service member and the Defense of Marriage Act in order to prevent it from becoming a constitutional amendment. He was an enthusiastic supporter of neither, but he didn't let the perfect become the enemy of the good, especially in the case of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

NO, NO, NO! By "widely known", you actually mean that "Hillary and Bill Clinton started giving this explanation around a year ago in preparation for dodging the question when it inevitably came up in the campaign", most notably and initially by Rachel Maddow.

In fact, those involved with the Clinton White House explained prior to this new explanation that the real reason Clinton signed the bill into law was because the Republicans had boxed him in (he was on the record as being against same-sex marriage and against anti-gay discrimination) and thought he would veto the bill, giving them a chance for Dole to win. In reality, he out-maneuvered them by signing it to save his hide.

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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2016, 08:57:08 AM »

Sanders statement can be used against him; I get that. But Mrs. Clinton and Mrs. Palin are both establishment within their parties.
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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2016, 01:13:31 PM »

He's taking some heat on this.
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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2016, 01:20:17 PM »

Whether or not it can be construed as an attack is debatable, but on it's surface it just comes off as him being bitter and that is not a good look in a presidential race.
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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2016, 01:26:26 PM »

This is just weird. Sanders' campaign is supposed to be about progressive policy, not generic anti-establishment BS.

"Join the Political Revolution" certainly implies some anti-establishment sentiment.
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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2016, 01:52:53 PM »


If this is whiny then Lief's been crying a river for months.

Sanders is right. These are establishment groups as all get-out.
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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2016, 01:53:51 PM »

He was asked why groups didn't endorse him and he gave a reasonable answer. This is a non-story. Only Clinton zombies are upset by this.

Planned Parenthood is already one of the most vilified organizations in America, constantly attacked by the right. I don't think it's too much to ask that Democratic presidential candidates, at least, don't go on television and attack it as well.

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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2016, 01:55:33 PM »

If Sanders hates the establishment so much, he should have run as an independent.
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« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2016, 01:58:02 PM »


If this is whiny then Lief's been crying a river for months.

Sanders is right. These are establishment groups as all get-out.

Why is establishment=bad? HRC and PP do a great deal of important progressive work.
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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2016, 01:59:12 PM »

Who says they're bad?
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« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2016, 02:00:18 PM »

Anyway, is it surprising that a leading organization re: women's issues endorsed not only the only woman in the Democratic primaries, but a tireless advocate for women's rights (and not just in America) in general?

Hillary is a feminist icon for a reason. And she would be the first woman ever elected as President of the United States. I don't think a lot of this board gets the significance that that prospect has for women.
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« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2016, 02:00:20 PM »


Why is Sanders taking them on?
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« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2016, 02:02:31 PM »


Because they support his, established-backed, opponent? To get offended about this s**t you really have to be reaching. Granted, that's like what half of this board is dedicated to anymore.
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« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2016, 02:03:19 PM »

Hillary is a feminist icon for a reason.

Why she is a gay icon, however, remains mystifying.
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« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2016, 02:07:40 PM »

Human Rights Campaign = HRC = Hillary Rodham Clinton

Illuminati confirmed!
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« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2016, 02:32:01 PM »

Hillary is a feminist icon for a reason.

Why she is a gay icon, however, remains mystifying.

Not really. Gay men automatically identify and rally for the underdog, especially someone who we feel has been unfairly treated by "straight" society. It is obvious how Clinton fills this role, and why so many are lukewarm on Sanders, who is just another straight old white guy.
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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2016, 02:34:44 PM »

Right, gays are pretentious, got it.
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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2016, 02:38:48 PM »

Really?
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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2016, 02:40:04 PM »


Dude, let it go. Don't take a page our of your boy's book and attack those who aren't supporting him. It's petty.
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« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2016, 02:40:53 PM »

I just visited the HRC Facebook page. Shillaries are making memes and comics casting Sandernistas as babies and hipsters, while Sandernistas are spamming each other's repeated-to-death comments with thousands of likes. Screw this primary.
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« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2016, 02:42:03 PM »

What Sanders doesn't seem to get is that Clinton has had years of connections to various organizations and has for years had a broader point of view on various issues, where as he's only be focused on millionaires, banks, etc. It takes time to gain support and that is how the process has always worked. And assuming that he does become the nominee, he has to work with these groups in order to win the election. Burning down bridges is stupid, but Sanders seems to want to do that.
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