Why did Wilson and FDR win New Hampshire?
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« on: January 22, 2016, 04:40:28 PM »

Wilson won New Hampshire twice (and it was his only New England state in 1916), and FDR won it three times. Why was New Hampshire's voting patterns in this period different from that of Maine and Vermont?
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2016, 05:16:09 PM »

WILSON & Jennings Bryan were states rights Dems but different than the 19th century Dems, who supported the Labor Movt.

Vt and ME were very comfortable just like WVa, at the time for voting for Moderate GOPers like Hughes
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2016, 05:51:28 PM »

Because of the Republican party's association with the evil racist Sou.... oh wait...
Not because New Hampshire is one of the most solidly Democratic states in the country?
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2016, 06:28:05 PM »

Because of the Republican party's association with the evil racist Sou.... oh wait...

At least you're a two-trick pony now.
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2016, 06:28:45 PM »

Because of the Republican party's association with the evil racist Sou.... oh wait...
Not because New Hampshire is one of the most solidly Democratic states in the country?

Well, that too, I guess. NH has always been one of the more Democratic (not saying liberal) New England states.
That was a joke...
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2016, 07:01:53 PM »
« Edited: January 22, 2016, 07:13:44 PM by RINO Tom »

Because of the Republican party's association with the evil racist Sou.... oh wait...

Oh, Jesus Christ, one crusade is enough.

EDIT: And you should know more than anyone that there's a HUGE difference between various Southern states.  TN, especially the more metropolitan areas and East Tennessee carry no baggage with anyone and have actually been a part of the GOP coalition for a VERY long time.  I have no problem with them.  I do not want birthers in Arkansas or people trying to dismantle the Voting Rights Act in Mississippi or folks doing everything in their power to prevent gay couples from getting married in Alabama to be in my party ... why on Earth is that a controversial thing to say?

I take the stance of Richard Nixon (the REAL historical stance, not the mythical Southern Strategy version of him): I welcome anyone and everyone into the GOP who believes in the party's basic message, especially Southerners!  However, I don't want those who are intolerant or bigoted.  Nixon famously said that he could never reach the Wallace voter because he was too strong on civil rights, but he wanted to pick off the "New South" and make it a Republican stronghold.  We went a little overboard.
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2016, 08:46:05 PM »

NH had/has ancestral Dem support going all the way back to Jackson and had a higher floor than rock-ribbed Republican states like Vermont and Maine.  Also these days NH is very Catholic, but I'm not sure if that was the case until the Boston suburbs started creeping north.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2016, 09:21:46 PM »

Somewhat related to this, but back then, outside the South, is it true that in many states, literally every Catholic voted Democrat and literally every Republican was a Protestant?

Not necessarily, and also depends on which Catholics and which Protestants you're talking about.  Italians were less Democrat than the Irish and German Catholics were pretty Republican too.  Meanwhile Scandinavians, who tend to be very Protestant, historically leaned strongly toward the Democrats.  And then of course there were plenty of Appalachian/Southerners who migrated to other parts of the country but still voted Democrat, Populist Protestant Dems, etc.
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2016, 01:02:52 PM »

New Hampshire was also fairly Democratic for New England during the Gilded Age.  Tilden and Cleveland came with 5% of carrying the state.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2016, 01:28:59 PM »

It's been pretty mavericky for upper New England. When the region was strongly Republican (1854-1960's) New Hampshire was always more Democratic than Vermont and Maine, which were pretty much one-party states. From the 1960's to the late 1980's, New Hampshire stayed or got slightly more Republican while Vermont and Maine trended Democratic, and by this current era New Hampshire is competitive while at least Vermont isn't, and Maine usually isn't at the presidential level. It's clear though that whatever makes New Hampshire different politically has always been there.
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2016, 08:26:08 PM »

Vermont would probably still be more like New Hampshire politically if not for the influx of hippie transplants.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2016, 02:03:02 AM »

NH had a greater Democratic presence holding over from its days as a Jackson Democratic stronghold and it was augmented by the pockets of industrial centers where working class voters also favored the Democratic Party. That high floor meant that Wilson could win it with the vote split, FDR could win it in his big victories and of course previous Democrats could come within striking distance.

VT was never a Jacksonian stronghold, being strong for the Anti-Masonic Party and then the Whigs, though Democrats would occassionally break through and a good number of Free Soiler Democrats helped form the GOP leaving practically no Democratic Party left in the state after 1854 until the 1950's.

It's been pretty mavericky for upper New England. When the region was strongly Republican (1854-1960's) New Hampshire was always more Democratic than Vermont and Maine, which were pretty much one-party states. From the 1960's to the late 1980's, New Hampshire stayed or got slightly more Republican while Vermont and Maine trended Democratic, and by this current era New Hampshire is competitive while at least Vermont isn't, and Maine usually isn't at the presidential level. It's clear though that whatever makes New Hampshire different politically has always been there.

A factor has been there, but it is not necessarily the same one that was operating on the state before. Now, what makes it different is the presence of the more conservative Boston exurban vote, which the other two don't have. Back then it was strong residual Democratic support from back in the Jacksonian Era and working class voters who favored the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2016, 05:35:27 PM »

Because of the Republican party's association with the evil racist Sou.... oh wait...
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2016, 01:19:42 AM »

Because we GRANITE STATERS! have always supported policies that help rebuild the White middle class. That's why I'm disappointed by today's Democratic party: Instead of focusing on us hard-working White women, they are just pandering to Black and Hispanic men in urban ghettos. I really miss the good old Demokkkratic party Sad

Spare us.  Please.
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2016, 09:02:05 AM »

Blacks certainly didnt get anything from TARP, minority turnout was abysmal in 2010.  Its true Dems support minorities, but they dont pander to them.

TARP certainly helped Obama in white community more than in Black community.
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