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« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2005, 03:19:55 AM »

Let it be known due to his opposition to abortion rights and other personal reasons I won't mention on here that I will not support Patrick Murphy for Congress for Pennsylvania's 8th Congressional District.  My support as of right now will go to Paul Lang.

Let it also be known that I will on top of Bob Casey, Brendan Boyle, Allyson Schwartz, and Lois Murphy I will be strongly opposing Mike Fitzpatrick's re-election. 

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« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2005, 03:21:04 AM »

Let it be known due to his opposition to abortion rights and other personal reasons I won't mention on here that I will not support Patrick Murphy for Congress for Pennsylvania's 8th Congressional District.  My support as of right now will go to Paul Lang.

Let it also be known that I will on top of Bob Casey, Brendan Boyle, Allyson Schwartz, and Lois Murphy I will be strongly opposing Mike Fitzpatrick's re-election. 



If Patrick Murphy receives the nomination, would you support him over Fitzpatrick even with a strong pro-choice Independent/Green/Libertarian candidate in the race?
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« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2005, 03:31:09 AM »

Let it be known due to his opposition to abortion rights and other personal reasons I won't mention on here that I will not support Patrick Murphy for Congress for Pennsylvania's 8th Congressional District.  My support as of right now will go to Paul Lang.

Let it also be known that I will on top of Bob Casey, Brendan Boyle, Allyson Schwartz, and Lois Murphy I will be strongly opposing Mike Fitzpatrick's re-election. 



If Patrick Murphy receives the nomination, would you support him over Fitzpatrick even with a strong pro-choice Independent/Green/Libertarian candidate in the race?

If I lived in PA 8, then I would look into an independent.  I will not vote for Fitzpatrick or Murphy nor will I give one minute or cent to Murphy's campaign.
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« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2005, 11:33:29 AM »

Let it be known due to his opposition to abortion rights and other personal reasons I won't mention on here that I will not support Patrick Murphy for Congress for Pennsylvania's 8th Congressional District.  My support as of right now will go to Paul Lang.

Let it also be known that I will on top of Bob Casey, Brendan Boyle, Allyson Schwartz, and Lois Murphy I will be strongly opposing Mike Fitzpatrick's re-election. 



Things must have gotten really bad personally. You knew about his Pro Life stance before but supported him now you wouldn't even vote for him if he was your nominee (if you lived in PA Cool.
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« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2005, 01:30:00 PM »

Let it be known due to his opposition to abortion rights and other personal reasons I won't mention on here that I will not support Patrick Murphy for Congress for Pennsylvania's 8th Congressional District.  My support as of right now will go to Paul Lang.

Let it also be known that I will on top of Bob Casey, Brendan Boyle, Allyson Schwartz, and Lois Murphy I will be strongly opposing Mike Fitzpatrick's re-election. 



Things must have gotten really bad personally. You knew about his Pro Life stance before but supported him now you wouldn't even vote for him if he was your nominee (if you lived in PA Cool.

It's not so much personally rather something that happened to someone I know personally and I will not disclose the reason to anyone.
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« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2005, 08:22:31 PM »

According to Morning Call, Ginny Schrader will be a candidate again in PA 8.
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« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2005, 08:25:26 PM »

According to Morning Call, Ginny Schrader will be a candidate again in PA 8.

Oh geez.  Paul Lang- I will knock on doors for you until I have splinters!
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« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2005, 06:54:30 PM »

I have different predictions on these races. I do not have just one as it is too early and we do not know if Castor is running in 13 or not yet.

A. If Castor runs in 13 Gerlach and Fitzy win with nice margins because the DCCC will focus A LOT more money on keeping 13 as opposed to turning 6 and 8. (It happened to Brown on the GOP side when they had tough races in 6 and 18 and again when they had races in 6, 8 and 15).

B. If Castor does not run in 13, Gerlach and Fitzy win but by smaller margins. Gerlach beat Lois by more than he won by in his first race for the seat. Fitzy is a really nice guy and it comes accross easily. The people of Bucks voted him in several times as commissioner and they will keep doing so. Just because he went from Commissioner to Congress doesnt mean the people dont like him anymore.
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« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2005, 09:04:33 PM »

I have different predictions on these races. I do not have just one as it is too early and we do not know if Castor is running in 13 or not yet.

A. If Castor runs in 13 Gerlach and Fitzy win with nice margins because the DCCC will focus A LOT more money on keeping 13 as opposed to turning 6 and 8. (It happened to Brown on the GOP side when they had tough races in 6 and 18 and again when they had races in 6, 8 and 15).

B. If Castor does not run in 13, Gerlach and Fitzy win but by smaller margins. Gerlach beat Lois by more than he won by in his first race for the seat. Fitzy is a really nice guy and it comes accross easily. The people of Bucks voted him in several times as commissioner and they will keep doing so. Just because he went from Commissioner to Congress doesnt mean the people dont like him anymore.

I have some agreements with you on these.  However, I doubt Castor is going to run.  Gerlach will lose regardless of whether Castor runs albeit not by much.  Yes I'll admit Fitzpatrick has it if Castor runs, but if Bush continues to tank and Fitz keeps agreeing with him (so far he has), the ride could also be very bumpy to our north as well.  I don't care how "nice" Fitzpatrick is he has been a consistent hard rightie out of line with PA 8 voters.  If the Dems play it right, he should be beat.  Sadly in Bucks county, the Dems always manage to screw it up.
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« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2005, 10:40:56 PM »

I have different predictions on these races. I do not have just one as it is too early and we do not know if Castor is running in 13 or not yet.

A. If Castor runs in 13 Gerlach and Fitzy win with nice margins because the DCCC will focus A LOT more money on keeping 13 as opposed to turning 6 and 8. (It happened to Brown on the GOP side when they had tough races in 6 and 18 and again when they had races in 6, 8 and 15).

B. If Castor does not run in 13, Gerlach and Fitzy win but by smaller margins. Gerlach beat Lois by more than he won by in his first race for the seat. Fitzy is a really nice guy and it comes accross easily. The people of Bucks voted him in several times as commissioner and they will keep doing so. Just because he went from Commissioner to Congress doesnt mean the people dont like him anymore.

I have some agreements with you on these.  However, I doubt Castor is going to run.  Gerlach will lose regardless of whether Castor runs albeit not by much.  Yes I'll admit Fitzpatrick has it if Castor runs, but if Bush continues to tank and Fitz keeps agreeing with him (so far he has), the ride could also be very bumpy to our north as well.  I don't care how "nice" Fitzpatrick is he has been a consistent hard rightie out of line with PA 8 voters.  If the Dems play it right, he should be beat.  Sadly in Bucks county, the Dems always manage to screw it up.

no no no no no no no. gerlach and fitzy win no matter what. everyone says that gerlach almost lost which can be true. but look at it this way: congressman gerlach beat lois murphy by MORE votes than he beat his first opponent by just two years earlier. When Bush was up for reelection, it did not hurt Gerlach (jim got more votes w/ bush on the ticket actually but i do not accredit that to the president), the "Bush/Republican" record was in everyone's faces and it did not hurt the republican congressman at all (again, he got more votes than before). It will not again this time. As for Fitzy... the Bucks district can go Dem but not anytime soon. fitzy is popular and he is well liked. haha if ginny wins your primary you can say goodbye to ever beating congressman fitzpatrick.
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« Reply #60 on: August 09, 2005, 03:01:27 AM »

I have different predictions on these races. I do not have just one as it is too early and we do not know if Castor is running in 13 or not yet.

A. If Castor runs in 13 Gerlach and Fitzy win with nice margins because the DCCC will focus A LOT more money on keeping 13 as opposed to turning 6 and 8. (It happened to Brown on the GOP side when they had tough races in 6 and 18 and again when they had races in 6, 8 and 15).

B. If Castor does not run in 13, Gerlach and Fitzy win but by smaller margins. Gerlach beat Lois by more than he won by in his first race for the seat. Fitzy is a really nice guy and it comes accross easily. The people of Bucks voted him in several times as commissioner and they will keep doing so. Just because he went from Commissioner to Congress doesnt mean the people dont like him anymore.

I have some agreements with you on these.  However, I doubt Castor is going to run.  Gerlach will lose regardless of whether Castor runs albeit not by much.  Yes I'll admit Fitzpatrick has it if Castor runs, but if Bush continues to tank and Fitz keeps agreeing with him (so far he has), the ride could also be very bumpy to our north as well.  I don't care how "nice" Fitzpatrick is he has been a consistent hard rightie out of line with PA 8 voters.  If the Dems play it right, he should be beat.  Sadly in Bucks county, the Dems always manage to screw it up.

no no no no no no no. gerlach and fitzy win no matter what. everyone says that gerlach almost lost which can be true. but look at it this way: congressman gerlach beat lois murphy by MORE votes than he beat his first opponent by just two years earlier. When Bush was up for reelection, it did not hurt Gerlach (jim got more votes w/ bush on the ticket actually but i do not accredit that to the president), the "Bush/Republican" record was in everyone's faces and it did not hurt the republican congressman at all (again, he got more votes than before). It will not again this time. As for Fitzy... the Bucks district can go Dem but not anytime soon. fitzy is popular and he is well liked. haha if ginny wins your primary you can say goodbye to ever beating congressman fitzpatrick.

I hope we don't nominate Schrader.  You're right, if the Dems somehow screw up and do, we're done.  Given the right candidate and national tides, we have a very good shot. 
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« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2005, 08:34:47 AM »

PA-08: Andy Warren Set To Announce

PoliticsPa.com is reporting that former Republican Bucks County Commissioner and current PennDot Administrator, Andy Warren is about to announce his intent to challenge Republican Congressman, Mike Fitzpatrick:

Rumors Fly in PA8... Warren Considering Congressional Run
PoliticsPA has learned that former Republican Bucks County commissioner Andy Warren has called a meeting of his regional transportation office employees to make an announcement regarding his intent to run for Congress in the 8th District against incumbent Republican Mike Fitzpatrick. 

Warren switched parties in June, and cited policy differences with the Republican Party and his failure to be nominated by the Bucks County Republican Committee to replace outgoing Republican Congressman Jim Greenwood.  He quietly visited national Democratic leaders in Washington in July.
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« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2005, 05:48:28 PM »

PA-08: Andy Warren Set To Announce

PoliticsPa.com is reporting that former Republican Bucks County Commissioner and current PennDot Administrator, Andy Warren is about to announce his intent to challenge Republican Congressman, Mike Fitzpatrick:

Rumors Fly in PA8... Warren Considering Congressional Run
PoliticsPA has learned that former Republican Bucks County commissioner Andy Warren has called a meeting of his regional transportation office employees to make an announcement regarding his intent to run for Congress in the 8th District against incumbent Republican Mike Fitzpatrick. 

Warren switched parties in June, and cited policy differences with the Republican Party and his failure to be nominated by the Bucks County Republican Committee to replace outgoing Republican Congressman Jim Greenwood.  He quietly visited national Democratic leaders in Washington in July.

He won't get out of the primary.
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« Reply #63 on: September 05, 2005, 07:19:48 PM »

For Immediate Release               
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PATRICK MURPHY BUILDS TEAM FOR CONGRESSIONAL BID

Campaign Manager, General Consultant Come Aboard

NEW HOPE, PA--August 25, 2005--Patrick Murphy, Democratic Candidate for Pennsylvania's Eighth Congressional District, today announced the addition of two key players to his campaign team.

Josh Nanberg joins as Campaign Manager. Nanberg is a veteran of two presidential campaigns, including working on the Kerry-Edwards campaign as research director in Pennsylvania. He has previously worked on House races in Massachusetts and Utah, Hillary Clinton's senate race in New York, and co-managed the successful campaign of former California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley.  In 2003, Nanberg served as Political Director for the Montgomery County Democratic Committee, overseeing the campaigns of 12 candidates for county-wide "row offices." 

"Josh Nanberg brings a fresh perspective and a proven track record, both locally and nationally," Murphy said. "I'm thrilled to have him as one of the key leaders on my team."

Pete Giangreco also joins the team as a General Consultant.  Giangreco, a partner in The Strategy Group, has worked with candidates including Sen. Barack Obama (IL), Governors Mark Warner (VA) and Mike Easley (NC), and Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley. Giangreco also served as Deputy National Field Director for the Clinton-Gore '92 campaign and as a Consultant to the John Edwards for President and Kerry-Edwards campaigns.

"Pete Giangreco is one of the nation's leading political minds," Murphy continued. "He's a winner who chooses his battles wisely, and he's shown, through his work with Senator Obama and Mayor O'Malley, that he is the consultant of choice for the next generation of leaders."

Nanberg and Giangreco join a strong team that already included former Joe Hoeffel finance director David Heck and a strong grass roots network.

Murphy, an Iraq war veteran, former West Point professor, and former  prosecutor, is running to unseat freshman Republican Michael Fitzpatrick. He has already been endorsed by Bucks County Commissioner Sandy Miller and Gen. Robert Kelly, USAF (Retired).

What are Murphy's chances in the primary and general?
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« Reply #64 on: September 05, 2005, 07:24:34 PM »

Murphy won't survive the primary.
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« Reply #65 on: September 05, 2005, 07:28:34 PM »

For Immediate Release               
Contact: Josh Nanberg
August 30, 2005                   
(202)486-6390
www.murphy06.com

PATRICK MURPHY BUILDS TEAM FOR CONGRESSIONAL BID

Campaign Manager, General Consultant Come Aboard

NEW HOPE, PA--August 25, 2005--Patrick Murphy, Democratic Candidate for Pennsylvania's Eighth Congressional District, today announced the addition of two key players to his campaign team.

Josh Nanberg joins as Campaign Manager. Nanberg is a veteran of two presidential campaigns, including working on the Kerry-Edwards campaign as research director in Pennsylvania. He has previously worked on House races in Massachusetts and Utah, Hillary Clinton's senate race in New York, and co-managed the successful campaign of former California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley.  In 2003, Nanberg served as Political Director for the Montgomery County Democratic Committee, overseeing the campaigns of 12 candidates for county-wide "row offices." 

"Josh Nanberg brings a fresh perspective and a proven track record, both locally and nationally," Murphy said. "I'm thrilled to have him as one of the key leaders on my team."

Pete Giangreco also joins the team as a General Consultant.  Giangreco, a partner in The Strategy Group, has worked with candidates including Sen. Barack Obama (IL), Governors Mark Warner (VA) and Mike Easley (NC), and Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley. Giangreco also served as Deputy National Field Director for the Clinton-Gore '92 campaign and as a Consultant to the John Edwards for President and Kerry-Edwards campaigns.

"Pete Giangreco is one of the nation's leading political minds," Murphy continued. "He's a winner who chooses his battles wisely, and he's shown, through his work with Senator Obama and Mayor O'Malley, that he is the consultant of choice for the next generation of leaders."

Nanberg and Giangreco join a strong team that already included former Joe Hoeffel finance director David Heck and a strong grass roots network.

Murphy, an Iraq war veteran, former West Point professor, and former  prosecutor, is running to unseat freshman Republican Michael Fitzpatrick. He has already been endorsed by Bucks County Commissioner Sandy Miller and Gen. Robert Kelly, USAF (Retired).

What are Murphy's chances in the primary and general?

Well, I have his primary opponent in my signature on the upper right.  I think Patrick Murphy is a promising candidate, but I am unclear on some of his positions.  It maybe looking like he is the Democratic nominee because Lang and Schrader will likely split the more liberal votes.  I really don't know much about Bucks, but from what people tell me, the ground game is GOP.  However, the suburban GOP to Dem shift starts from the Presidential level and trickles down and a moderate liberal Dem Peter Kostmayer represented the same area in the 1980s so there is definite hope here.  The Dems are more likely to take this seat than the GOP taking PA 13 even with Castor on the ticket.
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« Reply #66 on: September 09, 2005, 09:23:00 PM »

She's not running - http://politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090905wiessmann.htm


The Dems will have Murphy, Lang, Warren and Schrader. What a sad group.
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« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2005, 02:09:49 PM »

She's not running - http://politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090905wiessmann.htm


The Dems will have Murphy, Lang, Warren and Schrader. What a sad group.

Mike Fitzpatrick- what a sad candidate you guys picked.  Reason you guys won was Schrader was even sadder.  I wouldn't have minded Joe Conti that much and if you guys nominated him, I would give up on thinking the Dems could pick this seat up.  I think Patrick Murphy or Paul Lang could very well give Fitzpatrick a good scare and possibly win.
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« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2005, 05:13:10 PM »

She's not running - http://politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090905wiessmann.htm


The Dems will have Murphy, Lang, Warren and Schrader. What a sad group.

Mike Fitzpatrick- what a sad candidate you guys picked.  Reason you guys won was Schrader was even sadder.  I wouldn't have minded Joe Conti that much and if you guys nominated him, I would give up on thinking the Dems could pick this seat up.  I think Patrick Murphy or Paul Lang could very well give Fitzpatrick a good scare and possibly win.

He was a popular Commissioner and is going to win re-election, idiot. How is that sad?

Murphy would get smashed against Fitz. Sure Murphy would do well in the NE but his problems elsewhere would end his campaign in defeat. Lang is another joke. Fitzpatrick isn't getting below 53% in this race.
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« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2005, 08:54:44 PM »

She's not running - http://politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090905wiessmann.htm


The Dems will have Murphy, Lang, Warren and Schrader. What a sad group.

Mike Fitzpatrick- what a sad candidate you guys picked.  Reason you guys won was Schrader was even sadder.  I wouldn't have minded Joe Conti that much and if you guys nominated him, I would give up on thinking the Dems could pick this seat up.  I think Patrick Murphy or Paul Lang could very well give Fitzpatrick a good scare and possibly win.

He was a popular Commissioner and is going to win re-election, idiot. How is that sad?

Murphy would get smashed against Fitz. Sure Murphy would do well in the NE but his problems elsewhere would end his campaign in defeat. Lang is another joke. Fitzpatrick isn't getting below 53% in this race.

Whoa, testy testy.  Are we a little scared Phil?  Keep calling these people jokes.  Both Dem nominees went to prestigious military academies, have law degress or about to have one (Lang), and have a very impressive resume for being as young as they are.  Not to mention the fact they are MUCH more in line with PA 8 voters on social issues.  If Murphy or Lang is the nominee, I can rest assure you the GOP will have problems.  Keep thinking PA 8 will be an easy ride.  No really, I would love you to think that Phil.  Schrader is a joke and I wish she would run for a local race and get involved in local politics more.   
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« Reply #70 on: September 10, 2005, 11:05:25 PM »

She's not running - http://politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090905wiessmann.htm


The Dems will have Murphy, Lang, Warren and Schrader. What a sad group.

Mike Fitzpatrick- what a sad candidate you guys picked.  Reason you guys won was Schrader was even sadder.  I wouldn't have minded Joe Conti that much and if you guys nominated him, I would give up on thinking the Dems could pick this seat up.  I think Patrick Murphy or Paul Lang could very well give Fitzpatrick a good scare and possibly win.

He was a popular Commissioner and is going to win re-election, idiot. How is that sad?

Murphy would get smashed against Fitz. Sure Murphy would do well in the NE but his problems elsewhere would end his campaign in defeat. Lang is another joke. Fitzpatrick isn't getting below 53% in this race.

Whoa, testy testy.  Are we a little scared Phil?  Keep calling these people jokes.  Both Dem nominees went to prestigious military academies, have law degress or about to have one (Lang), and have a very impressive resume for being as young as they are.  Not to mention the fact they are MUCH more in line with PA 8 voters on social issues.  If Murphy or Lang is the nominee, I can rest assure you the GOP will have problems.  Keep thinking PA 8 will be an easy ride.  No really, I would love you to think that Phil.  Schrader is a joke and I wish she would run for a local race and get involved in local politics more.   

Scared of who...Ginny Schrader? I know PA 8 is staying GOP. PA 6 is a bit of a concern but PA 8 - No.

And I'd love to see you think PA 13 is easy with a popular county DA possibly in the race.
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« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2005, 12:27:25 PM »

She's not running - http://politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090905wiessmann.htm


The Dems will have Murphy, Lang, Warren and Schrader. What a sad group.

Mike Fitzpatrick- what a sad candidate you guys picked.  Reason you guys won was Schrader was even sadder.  I wouldn't have minded Joe Conti that much and if you guys nominated him, I would give up on thinking the Dems could pick this seat up.  I think Patrick Murphy or Paul Lang could very well give Fitzpatrick a good scare and possibly win.

He was a popular Commissioner and is going to win re-election, idiot. How is that sad?

Murphy would get smashed against Fitz. Sure Murphy would do well in the NE but his problems elsewhere would end his campaign in defeat. Lang is another joke. Fitzpatrick isn't getting below 53% in this race.

Whoa, testy testy.  Are we a little scared Phil?  Keep calling these people jokes.  Both Dem nominees went to prestigious military academies, have law degress or about to have one (Lang), and have a very impressive resume for being as young as they are.  Not to mention the fact they are MUCH more in line with PA 8 voters on social issues.  If Murphy or Lang is the nominee, I can rest assure you the GOP will have problems.  Keep thinking PA 8 will be an easy ride.  No really, I would love you to think that Phil.  Schrader is a joke and I wish she would run for a local race and get involved in local politics more.   

Scared of who...Ginny Schrader? I know PA 8 is staying GOP. PA 6 is a bit of a concern but PA 8 - No.

And I'd love to see you think PA 13 is easy with a popular county DA possibly in the race.

I don't think Bucks Dems are stupid enough to let Schrader win again.  But then again why couldn't they convince her to drop out of the race and give her a cushy position in the party after Fitzpatrick entered?  With Schrader, yeah you guys still hold PA 8.  Lang or Murphy, I wouldn't be so sure along with the fact that you should also mind the national trend against the GOP.  Remember, you said I should ignore that concept in the PA 13 race last year and that Brown was "well known and liked lcoally".  Look what happened!  With Schwartz and Brown, there really were no major differences in campaign or quality of candidate.  With Schrader and Fitz, Fitz clearly was the better candidate barring the issues.
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« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2005, 12:44:53 PM »



With Schrader, yeah you guys still hold PA 8.  Lang or Murphy, I wouldn't be so sure along with the fact that you should also mind the national trend against the GOP.  Remember, you said I should ignore that concept in the PA 13 race last year and that Brown was "well known and liked lcoally".  Look what happened!  With Schwartz and Brown, there really were no major differences in campaign or quality of candidate.  With Schrader and Fitz, Fitz clearly was the better candidate barring the issues.

National trend against the GOP....a year away from the election!

You're a complete idiot if you can't notice the strength Schwartz had in campaigning. The Brown campaign couldn't match it. Schwartz won because of straight Dem voting in a Presidential election year and a good campaign strategy against a totally incompetent Brown team.
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« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2005, 05:39:21 PM »



With Schrader, yeah you guys still hold PA 8.  Lang or Murphy, I wouldn't be so sure along with the fact that you should also mind the national trend against the GOP.  Remember, you said I should ignore that concept in the PA 13 race last year and that Brown was "well known and liked lcoally".  Look what happened!  With Schwartz and Brown, there really were no major differences in campaign or quality of candidate.  With Schrader and Fitz, Fitz clearly was the better candidate barring the issues.

National trend against the GOP....a year away from the election!

You're a complete idiot if you can't notice the strength Schwartz had in campaigning. The Brown campaign couldn't match it. Schwartz won because of straight Dem voting in a Presidential election year and a good campaign strategy against a totally incompetent Brown team.

I know Schwartz's strength in campaigning over Brown, but Brown did have a quasi-incumbent advantage plus Schwartz carpetbagged.  Oh and thanks for calling me an idiot because you just proved my point- the national trends HELPED Schwartz and you and I both know the difference between Schwartz-Brown was FAR smaller than Schrader-Fitzpatrick.  My point is given a decent Dem candidate in PA 8, you guys are in deep sh!t plain and simple. 
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« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2005, 06:34:58 PM »



With Schrader, yeah you guys still hold PA 8.  Lang or Murphy, I wouldn't be so sure along with the fact that you should also mind the national trend against the GOP.  Remember, you said I should ignore that concept in the PA 13 race last year and that Brown was "well known and liked lcoally".  Look what happened!  With Schwartz and Brown, there really were no major differences in campaign or quality of candidate.  With Schrader and Fitz, Fitz clearly was the better candidate barring the issues.

National trend against the GOP....a year away from the election!

You're a complete idiot if you can't notice the strength Schwartz had in campaigning. The Brown campaign couldn't match it. Schwartz won because of straight Dem voting in a Presidential election year and a good campaign strategy against a totally incompetent Brown team.

I know Schwartz's strength in campaigning over Brown, but Brown did have a quasi-incumbent advantage plus Schwartz carpetbagged.  Oh and thanks for calling me an idiot because you just proved my point- the national trends HELPED Schwartz and you and I both know the difference between Schwartz-Brown was FAR smaller than Schrader-Fitzpatrick.  My point is given a decent Dem candidate in PA 8, you guys are in deep sh!t plain and simple. 

It was a Presidential election year and don't go on about national trends a year before the election, idiot!

PA 8 is no concern whatsoever with the cast of clowns you guys have. The best is Andy "They picked Fitz instead of me!" Warren. Ginny Part II will be hysterical, too, and the best part is that she can win again! PA 8 stays GOP!
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